Imagine walking into a Service Ontario location and being served. Now imagine sitting in a comfortable chair and having a voice/video link with a government office. Now imagine speaking in one of say 5 main languages with a real person just like at a counter. Using technology to help people is not new, you can even get an app on your smart phone to detect where your metal property line marker is. Of course that app would not help to get your new license plates or help order a new health card but there is technology that can.
Surely with a bit of planning and will, we can create something to help more people get things done in a manner that concentrates on citizens needs. Some bank machines already provide several languages to use, there are 9-1-1 call centers that instantly connect to translation services that can cover 140 languages and we have had hearing/speech impaired interfaces for years.
Why can’t we have a central station in say Toronto with round the clock operators that can provide assistance in several languages? Assistance for health cards, some translation and real time support. If after a hundred plus years of language issues that no one seems ready to discuss and work towards solutions, the least we can do is help people that need it, is that not what multiculturism & bilingualism was about? Language duality is a wonderful concept but really, after 40 plus years of the Official Languages Act, 26 years of the Ontario French Languages Services Act and billions of dollars, the percentage of bilingual Canadians has remained stagnant outside of Quebec, but let’s put technology to work for the benefit of all Canadians even as a trial, each Ontario ministry already has a language coordinator, give them technology as well,and stop saying why we can’t do something, ask your MP and MPP how we can!
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Cory Cameron
August 21, 2013 at 7:21 am
“I don’t know how you feel about this, but I am pretty darn upset about the language issues and our governments in general and feel more loyal to the Crown than to our current group of Yes Men and lackeys who run this country…”
Welcome LANGUAGE APARTHEID ,Alienation of the majority through minority rights .
Hey Canada the world is watching the new South Africa CANADA and its LANGUAGE APARTHEID.
Legislation is the shackles of oppression ,for under Canadian language laws ALL are not equal.
highlander wrote: But his intent is sarcastic ,antagonistic and deferral from the REAL issues
But at least he speaks the truth. He is not a fabricator, he doesn’t post inaccuracies and nor resort to personal attacks…….like a certain freedom fighter.
CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE!!!!
LET’S KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!!!
DON’T LET A SMALL GROUP DESTROY THE PEACE AND FREEDDOM OF THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY.
Everything is funny to you Stella.
Please refrain from taking your medication before reading and replying here in this forum. Doing things in this order has a way of proving to the readers that your “rose colored reality”
— is NOT —
in the same planetary region as the rest of us.
Not to mention, it really makes you look bad.
But, be sure to have a nice interplanetary day eh 🙂
And yes, you’re right highlander. Now that i think of it, i can’t even remember the last intelligent “on topic” comment, suggestion, or post i read fromFurtz and or Tremblay or any of the “agitator gang” for that matter.
I guess “ignore” is a better route. I’m there. 🙂
I’ll chat with ya later in the other group at that other site where they don’t bother us 🙂
ciao 🙂
@ edudyorlik. That’s probably a good idea. You and your comrades should huddle under your cone of silence while commiserating and plotting your revolution. It might be an idea for you guys to wear your tinfoil hats for added protection from snoopers. Do yous have a secret hand-shake or password required to get into your meetings? You can never be too careful.
yorlik wrote: I’ll chat with ya later in the other group at that other site where they don’t bother us 🙂
You don’t like the truth nor to be challenged? I understand the reasoning behind your post, you will be able to throw the bull all you want without worrying about being corrected.
CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!
LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!
Furtz, are you hinting at a French group before the mid 60’s?
“Do yous have a secret hand-shake or password required to get into your meetings?”
Stella, “DON’T LET A SMALL GROUP DESTROY THE PEACE AND FREEDOM OF THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY” it has already happened…..4 eastern Ontario townships allowing a Charter Right to be sidestepped, and the small group I noted to Furtz.
No, Eric. I’m not hinting at anything. Just saying that any group that’s planning a revolution should keep a low profile and be very careful about police infiltrators. Secret handshakes, and tinfoil hats are a must if the mission is to succeed. Do I have to spell out everything to yous guys?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2KSCxZ_JAY
Yeah right !! Land of the free eh?
Maybe in other parts of Canada and maybe for the French but certainly not FREE for Anglophones in “the province” of Quebec.
How about some “on topic” entertainment that’s good for a laugh.
Pay special attention to the last 45 seconds of the video.
This is but just one way Quebec spends Canadian tax payers money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5veUKANv0w
No Furtz but any help is appreciated. Now if only you guys could make some donations to the cause; now that would be most helpful.
Eric wrote: 4 Eastern Ontario townships allowing a Charter Right to be sidestepped, and the small group I noted to Furtz.
That is nothing compared to what the freedom fighters are trying to do……..SEPERATE THIS COUNTRY.
Trying to engage an entire nation of peace loving people and going as far as talking civil war……good God, how could you compare the two?
No donation from me, Cory. Just my advice to quit whining about being spoken to in French at the Timmins post office, and about seeing a French sign by the side of Highway 11. Stick to unfair hiring practices, and you might be taken seriously.
But Stella, you didn’t comment on how”NOT” free the Anglophones are in Quebec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2KSCxZ_JAY
It’s so completely sad how most of what you say and try to associate with “others” Stella just DRIPS with such un-imaginable irony.
And what’s worse, is that you don’t even realize it.
Take this comment of yours for example”
Stella wrote,
“That is nothing compared to what the freedom fighters are trying to do……..SEPERATE THIS COUNTRY.”
WHO? Please tel us all who was the first to mention separating and as a matter of fact still has many elements involved who are “trying” to do just that RIGHT NOW.
Tell us Stella, please tell us who started this talk? Who had two referendums to try to do exactly that? Was it the English people in this country Stella? Was it Anglo’s in Ontario ?
Who were the first PEOPLES to “try to separate” this wonderful country? My god Stella, you must know the answer to this.
Here’s a couple of clues for ya Stella.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHuQhmzU974
http://youtu.be/EMlc18cpx2I?t=31s
http://youtu.be/CB-pe3lCczU?t=42s
Oh wait, i know, ignore, ignore ignore. That’s all you can do when confronted with TRUTH.
Ah but, remember to have yourself a “look in the mirror” kinda day eh 🙂
No donation from you Furtz? That’s okay and fine by me though. That’s your choice now isn’t it? But why is it that millions of tax dollars (without my consent and millions of other Canadians), are funding French only activities/health/social services? That wasn’t my choice to fund those.
Sorry, I forgot, Cory. Ditch the over-the-top nut-bars like Kilroy. You don’t want people like that on your team, unless you do. If you do, your cause is toast. It’s not rocket science.
Eric
August 21, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Eric did you notice the post August 21, 2013 at 4:54 pm where the ethnocentric stated :
Eric wrote: 4 Eastern Ontario townships allowing a Charter Right to be sidestepped, and the small group I noted to Furtz.
That is nothing compared to what the freedom fighters are trying to do……..SEPERATE THIS COUNTRY.
So obviously agreeing to violation of fundamental rights that all are to have but agree’s in the ethnocentric process yet more concerned of a group requesting equal rights .
If that person was really concerned with separating the country perhaps they can deal with the TRUE threat THEIR BRETHREN the SEPARATISTS.
OH THEY KEEP A SPINNING ,YES ..YES GOEBBELS WOULD BE PROUD OF THAT ONE.
OH DID SOMEONE SAY THE LAND OF THE FREE ?????
YA ,RIGHT DREAM ON >FREEDOM FOR THE TAKING MORE LIKE IT!
WELCOME TO LANGUAGE APARTHEID AS ADVERTISED BY INTERNATIONAL MEDIA OUTLETS.
Edudyorlik
LOVE THIS VIDEO :
http://youtu.be/CB-pe3lCczU?t=42s
The truth is upon separation well over a million(some indications are 2 million) will cross over to stay in Canada.
These will be the highly educated persons and real estate will collapse upon this exodus .True economic nightmare but dreams do not feed the masses nor with they provide security ,and eventually Quebecer’s will have to sell their souls to feed themselves and this will only promote further isolation from North America and the eventuality of the loss of their language and culture .
That proverbial shooting oneself in the foot but more likely the head!
..yes, kilroy, unilingual anglos can’t even get a high paying job in Québec. Oh, wait, I’ m wrong the former head of La caisse de dépôt was unilingual anglo. Let’s see, has there been a unilngual anglo mayor, yes, the mayor of baie durfé. Could they attend a unilngual university, oh yes, they have 2. Some anglo signs on le vieux port de montreal and on west island. Without any exception,I have crossed Québec several times, from Lachute to Shawningan I Have heard anglos being served in their own language….seems to me Québec is treating it’s minorities quite well. Then again, I have actually been in Québec, I don’t go by word of mouth like my friend the king of rants and Madame Bella.
Ricahrd tremblay, you found one Anglo, but this Quebecer escaping trumps it…..
Remember Jean-Martin Aussant? He couldn’t stand to live in a Quebec that was part of Canada, but he doesn’t see anything wrong with living in the United Kingdom.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/jean-martin-aussant-champion-quebec-separatism-picks-sunnier-194113554.html
Yes Highlander, the blinders are very selective in not seeing this French push.
Richard, there is no reason for you to attack me personally. I have not addressed you. In fact, since you saw fit to belittle me and change my words to fit your purpose, I have not needed anything from you. Eric finally answered the question I posed, with no help from you or you buds, so really I don’t need you or your opinions of me. Call me a liar if you like, but I know what I saw last month, and I know what I didn’t see. On the TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY, while driving through Quebec there is no English temporary informational signage. Admin made the same observation, yet I see no one jumping his shit. It must be love. ewwwww
bella
August 22, 2013 at 7:20 am
“Richard, there is no reason for you to attack me personally. I have not addressed you. In fact, since you saw fit to belittle me and change my words to fit your purpose, I have not needed anything from you.”
Well bella now its not the term “BIGOT” used as this best defines Quebec’s approach to language issues.
This is attacking the messenger which is their pattern here ,but it only solidifies and reinforces why people on here are fighting for equal rights .
Bullying is the tactic to defer people from the subject and it only goes to prove that these franco groups have very little to stand on with LANGUAGE APARTHEID.
Thank you for social media and this site to get the message out there …..for times they are a’changing.
The internet is abuzz with OUR LANGUAGE APARTHEID and weekly more information comes out .
Oh just a little taste of what is out there;
http://www.calgarysun.com/videos/entertainment/comedy/671177285001/bilingual-bullies/1780280912001/page/5
Hey wake up Quebec ,LANGUAGE APARTHEID Is hurting you!
But that dream of a independent state and the language policies on this continued path will only deepen the need for the welfare payments (transfer payments)…..yes to your own demise.
Under the PQ’s watch so far in 2013, 40,000 jobs have been lost in Quebec, while 80,000 were gained in all of Canada. Quebec was responsible for 75% of the job losses nationally last month.
Here is another of the many circulating on the net (internationally)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/editorials/quebecs-putinesque-idea-to-ban-religious-garb-from-public-workplaces/article13874079/
Furtz, what a great idea, nut bars on toast…..add some yogurt and a blender, voila, breakfast.
Yes the world is and will be watching Canada and its ethnocentric State (Quebec ),it will be a big embarrassment for Canadians for the lack of tolerance .
Now people Quebec’s approach will definitely be reflective of Canadian values internationally.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/welcome-to-quebecistan/2621283870001
Sad ,truly sad the intolerance and Canadians as a whole will be viewed that way.
Every debate begins with ONE ISSUE.
The lack of CLARITY on which ISSUE that is being debated, establishes conditions that can only result in a whirlwind of opinions with no sustainable plan of action.
To be more specific there are more than one Issue being debated at the same time in this forum. What is the expected outcome?
Linguistic Translation Services
Languages Act of Canada
Constitution Of Canada
Bilingualism in Canada
The French Language Service Act of Ontario
Quebec’s English Laws
Quebec’s Language Police
Quebec’s Transfer Payments
Separation Of Quebec
Unfair Hiring Policies in Cornwall
Unfair Hiring Policies in Canada
Militia in Quebec
Languages Apartheid
Unfair use of Trillium Funds
Lack of English construction signs on the TC
Some will automatically chime in and say one is not without the other. They are most definitely different one from the other. Although they all relate to Languages they do not all have the same level of importance, when the common objective is to establish a Resolution and strategy to improve and restore fair Hiring Practices.
McDonald’s and Burger King both sell burgers. If you did not like your experience or was not fairly treated at McDonald’s, you don’t go to Burger King in hopes that they will be able to resolve your concerns.
Nor should one complain to the Federal Government about French Services in Ontario. Equally, the same is true that approaching the Ontario government about unfair Hiring
Practices that have been drafted and enforced locally will bring the desired results.
Every successful debate seeks a RESOLUTION and a sustainable, realistic strategy that will lend itself to affect the common objective of change. Until then, all this is a mish mash of many views and opinions with no clarity in its direction. Making this
a futile exercise at becoming a catalyst in affecting change for individuals, which are denied access to employment due to the enforcement of unfair Local Hiring Practices.
Just a reminder to all. This is an opinion expressed in a debate forum. When you jump all over it, could you stick to the basic rules of debate and rebut the issue and not the debater. In simpler words enough with the name calling and personal attacks. Debate requires opinions and views from both camps. Otherwise it’s aimless conversation.
Respect and civility are the trademarks when we equally exercise our Right of Freedom of Speech in our Democracy.
@Richard. All your talk about how English are treated better in Quebec is making me ill.
I have told you before. The ONLY reason why English have what they have in Quebec is because the French powers that be in Quebec have not finished their apartheid movement against the English yet.
(partly the fault of the English as they are good natured and allowed the French to have Quebec out of a sense of guilt for some minor past transgressions but that’s another story)
What you are seeing is remnants of “what was.” The English, Irish & Scott’s are responsible for building most of what you see in Quebec and were responsible for many things including the popularity of the damn winter carnival (remember Bonhomme) and it’s claim to fame among all Canadians. They were the majority there at one time.
Quebec is nothing but a province INSIDE a country called Canada. Therefore, the English in Quebec are actually IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY thus, they should be treated well. (that DOES NOT work the other way round, sorry)
However, Quebec wishes to act as if they are a separate country which is something our federal government has shirked it’s responsibility on.
So either we make it official – Quebec separates, or reality kicks in and laws like bill 101 and 14 are condemned for what they are. Bigoted apartheid style laws which must be removed from the books in ANY democratic country.
Remember, the pendulum ALWAYS swings both ways and that is about to be challenged by the majority.
All hail to the king of the rants woooo hoooooo…
PS: Richard, please show my pal bella some respect eh. Her name is written with a small “b” 🙂
And remember, have yourself a “check on history” kinda day eh 🙂
My comments weren’t an attack yet you certainly reply with one. Rest assured I have found the love of my life and am not seeking comfort in the arms of another woman. Je te souhaite la déese de tes rêves si c’est celà que tu désires. You know darn well your questions was answered multiple times and if you did go in QUébec, you obviously found your way back. Therefore, you must have been complaining without a reason.
Eric, then name me ONE unilingual francophone outside of Québec that has a high profile job. Such as with howard galganov propapanda, Mr aussants vision is not welcome in QUébec. I can’t believe I’m going to agree with howard. The PQ governement is not good for Québec. Join me in promoting the need for an election and electing philippe couillard as the next premier.
ON August 21, 2013 at 7:34 pm Furtz wrote, “Ditch the over-the-top nut-bars like Kilroy. You don’t want people like that on your team, unless you do. If you do, your cause is toast. It’s not rocket science.”
Awww, you hurt my feelings 🙁
That’s OK. I’ll take it for what it is Furtz.
Ahhh yes, you know your being effective when “some” take the time to condemn you and your work.
Nope, “not rocket science” Furtz. It’s a well know fact. It’s human nature to try to put down and eliminate the perceived biggest threat to your cause.
My videos have informed thousands (yes, there are stats) about what is going on and people are starting to wake up.
So, thanks for the encouragement.
You keep doing what you’re doing Furtz. Humm what is that again? Oh yeah * NOTHING *
But remember, have a very happy “human nature” kind of day eh 🙂
Please everyone. Debate the point and not the person. While we miss a few occasionally we do not support name calling on CFN.
You want to see the frustrations of Canadians and Quebec ,interesting so say the least bill 14 will be the tipping point for change in this LANGUAGE APARTHEID.
http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.ca/2013/08/ignoring-english-disastrous-choice-for.html?showComment=1376670545898#c7282579719698597481
For those that read the posts from individuals that decimate the same redundancy over and over again in an attempt to have us believe that Quebec is looking to separate from Canada. The ones posting such redundancy should provide factual evidence to their claim and allow us to judge it’s validity and accuracy.
Because when one take time to look at the numbers of the last Provincial Election in 2012 it is clear, although Le parti Quebecois Seperatist are in power it is not the majority’s vote. It’s the split vote that saw them elected.
Parti Quebecois 31.95%
Liberals 31.20%
Avenir Quebec 27.05%
Others 08.00%
Between the |Liberals, Avenir Quebec and others 68.05% of the population of Quebec did not vote for Le Parti Quebecois Seperatist. I do not believe that Marois is in a position to even suggest a Referendum on the question of Sovereignty. Unless she is looking to commit Political suicide. And the last time that a Referendum was held in Quebec was 18years ago in 1995. Much has changed in the political landscape of Quebec.
It almost seems like there’s a propaganda campaign based on insider knowledge of the intentions of the Mahrois government and the minority population of Quebec. They show their redundancy and false information. Somehow this is supposed to have something to do with Cornwall’s unfair Hiring Practices. I still fail to understand the correlation of the two.
I’ve just found out that the Quebec government is creating a new portfolio. They are going to call it The Redundancy Department of Redundancy. And they are looking for a Minister that has experience with Redundancy to run the Redundancy Department of Redundancy for them. Bilingualism is required. They will consider foregoing the linguistic requirement for a candidate that
is highly skilled in Redundant information manipulation.
Hungry for the Truth….
August 22, 2013 at 10:34 am
Oh here is that written Diarrhea again -same over and over
” Just a reminder to all. This is an opinion expressed in a debate forum. When you jump all over it, could you stick to the basic rules of debate and rebut the issue and not the debater. In simpler words enough with the name calling and personal attacks. Debate requires opinions and views from both camps. Otherwise it’s aimless conversation.”
Freedom of expression baby ….who made you the moderator oh so great one …man you really are into yourself ….it remains the peoples choice as this remains one of the few bastions of freedom of expression.
Yet now you attempt at controlling it …that is Jamie’s choice not yours we can still have dialogue without insulting of which you yourself have played a part.
“Making this
a futile exercise at becoming a catalyst in affecting change for individuals, which are denied access to employment due to the enforcement of unfair Local Hiring Practices.”
YOU REALLY DON’T GET IT, ITS NOT JUST A LOCAL ISSUE !
YOU HAVE AN INFESTATION OF ANTS DO YOU JUST SPRAY THE ANTS THAT ARE AT YOUR LOCAL PLATE! NO YOU DEAL WITH THE ANT NEST ……
GET OVER IT LIVES FOR LIVES THIS IS A SYSTEMIC ISSUE AND A GOVERNMENT SPONSORED ONE!
But your intent is not to really address the issue but to defer from it ,people on here are not just locally effected by the LANGUAGE APARTHEID but across Canada .
YOUR RESOLUTION YOU CALL FOR IS COMING ,BUT THIS SITE HAS BECOME A CATALYST FOR MANY OUT THERE AND THE MESSAGE IS SPREADING ….THANK YOU SOCIAL MEDIA!
LFA has the potential to reach 10-15 thousand through their social media groups and networking and growing daily,the message is getting out their….times they r a’changing .
Richard tremblay
August 22, 2013 at 10:47 am
” I can’t believe I’m going to agree with howard. The PQ governement is not good for Québec. Join me in promoting the need for an election and electing philippe couillard as the next premier.”
All the same product but different packaging !
“you obviously found your way back. Therefore, you must have been complaining without a reason.”
Say that to the air Canada and sprite verses 7 up ….its all the same isn’t it? except the taxpayers footed that hefty bill.
Yes french rights need protection and well English rights are complaining without a reason!
Hell yes LANGUAGE APARTHEID!
WAKE UP YOU MANY THOUSANDS OUT THERE ,RIGHTS ARE TO BE EQUAL !
BUT NOT UNDER CANADIAN LANGUAGE LAWS!
Richard tremblay
August 22, 2013 at 10:47 am
“My comments weren’t an attack yet you certainly reply with one.”
May I draw you attention to this post:
Richard tremblay
August 22, 2013 at 4:22 am
“…Then again, I have actually been in Québec, I don’t go by word of mouth like my friend the king of rants and Madame Bella.”
~~
“You know darn well your questions was answered multiple times and if you did go in QUébec, you obviously found your way back. Therefore, you must have been complaining without a reason.”
As I asked hftt, please show me where my question was answered as asked. Show me where someone addressed the question without rewording it to fit their insults. Show me and I will apologize for my mistake.
~~
For the record, I let it go, you are the one who threw this stone.
@Highlander.
Great links sir. Thank you for all that info.
I gleamed this clip in your honor which is so fundamentally ON POINT and — to the POINT —
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTJHwKVlsMg&hd=1
highlander wrote: Sad ,truly sad the intolerance and Canadians as a whole will be viewed that way.
For once you are right, and the French people have nothing to do with it. It is the FREEDOM FIGHTER GANG that is giving this country bad publicity. Not to worry though the MAJORITY IN THIS PEACE LOVING COUNTRY know were it’s coming from and are not too concerned.
CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE………LET’S KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!!
Hungry for the Truth….
August 22, 2013 at 11:42 am
Because when one take time to look at the numbers of the last Provincial Election in 2012 it is clear, although Le parti Quebecois Seperatist are in power it is not the majority’s vote. It’s the split vote that saw them elected.
Parti Quebecois 31.95%
Liberals 31.20%
Avenir Quebec 27.05%
Others 08.00%
Avenir Quebec remains a separatist group they said they would not bring up the separatist agenda for 10 years ……but political promises are made to be broken .
Therefore 59% of the vote went to separatist links ,so LIVES FOR LIES I GUESS ITS ALL IN YOUR SPIN ON THINGS.
“Somehow this is supposed to have something to do with Cornwall’s unfair Hiring Practices. I still fail to understand the correlation of the two.”
Its really simple lives for lies you remain blinded by idealism:
And you will continue to fail to understand.
LANGUAGE APARTHEID IS A SYSTEMIC ISSUE!
“The nationalist not only does not disprove of atrocities by his own side ,but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them ” George Orwell
hftT wrote, “I’ve just found out that the Quebec government is creating a new portfolio. They are going to call it The Redundancy Department of Redundancy.”
Yes, they are going to “go to Ottawa and tell them
You’re missing the point hftT
It’s NOW Canada… Yes, the majority Anglophones in ROC that wants Quebec out. Forget what THEY want, they have shown us time and time again — what THEY want, and what THEY don’t want —
WE ARE FED UP with what “THEY say” and how “they want things to be” at the expense of EVERYONE ELSE.
Like this arrogant B***** saying, “”So, i’ll go (to Ottawa) an explain er —
(in French because we don’t speak English to ministers in Ottawa and because, as a Canadian citizen i can barely speak English myself)
— http://youtu.be/CB-pe3lCczU?t=2m29s what’s the reality in Quebec.”
Yeah, we get it. But, we ain’t buyin it anymore.
The Tide is turning.
Sorry hftT but you have lost any chance of creditability when you taunted the English in this forum with your “to the back of the bus” taunts and other such put downs and taunts.
These put downs have given you the dubious award of having ZERO credibility here.
Besides. Why does — YOUR — “concept of resolution” have to be
THE … be all and end all – ?
Could it not simply be that the mere banter within the debate (in whatever form it follows) is what turns out to be the catalyst itself towards the resolution?
In other words could it not be that people are reading and forming ideas and opinions about what they will do and how they will do it just simply by the act of reading all of what is here to read. The “kettle is on the hot stove so to speak”
All it takes is ONE ROSA PARKS my friend and THAT DAY IS COMING. This BS that Canada has been living under and paying for over the last 30-40 years is due to find it’s end. Think pendulum. Just talking (writing in this forum) is enough to gather like minded people. But, thanks though for the suggestions 🙂
Maybe trying as hard as you seem to be trying to focus people into “a plan” is counter productive and meant to slow the process. Maybe you are here for exactly that purpose? Maybe we should re-nic name you to — GF — for Graham Fraser? C’mon fess up 😉
Thousands of people every day are becoming more and more aware of how the French are coning the rest of Canada with their French ONLY for Quebec while forcing all the rest of Canada to KNOW FRENCH at the expense of the majority English.
That… along with with the French powers that be seemingly doing something completely brainless against one group or another ..
English — all non French residents of Quebec — (bill 101, 14 etc)
Muslims (Turbans)
Italians (pasta)
on and on…
practically each and every day well, it’s just a matter of time when the people will unit and act. It’s happened in history before. People took it for a long time then, WHAM…
It will probably behind one catalyzing event that is to come but WILL NO DOUBT COME. And I would guess sooner than later.
SO, relax there lives for lies. It will happen. With or without — YOU — and your inflated sense of “how it should be done” — MY WAY —
PS: I thank you for the opportunity to present this argument to those who read and will see for themselves how things MUST CHANGE. They can then tell their friends and pass it on.
PPS:
Languages Act of Canada – Rescinded – better yet, completely done away with 🙂
Constitution Of Canada – Changed to remove the not withstanding clause and a few other things that only suit a certain “Trudeau friendly” group.
Bilingualism in Canada – Remove the “official” part and while having respect for the majority language everyone can do ones best to “accommodate.” You know, like what we did years ago when even the English were on the side of the French fighting for equality between the two. — respectful accommodation — Not like what the French seem to want now with…
French ONLY in Quebec and French dominant everywhere else. UNJUST & UNFAIR
The French Language Service Act of Ontario – Rescinded – better yet, completely done away with 🙂 **
Quebec’s English Laws – Rescinded – better yet, completely done away with 🙂 **
Quebec’s Language Police goes without saying. This is a farce. To even have such an entity is a farce and an act of idiocy that ONLY the French and the Nazi’s could come up with.
Quebec’s Transfer Payments – Renegotiated and loop holes (like this one pertaining to hydro
Quebec http://youtu.be/MhPcV0gtFR0?t=1m32s – should be eliminated.
** Of course, this depends on whether Quebec answers yes or no to the Question. Are you a province a country? If province then many things need to change. If country then transfer payments are not even an issue. We move straight to negotiating the separation.
Separation Of Quebec – if they choose to keep laws like bill 101 and 14 on the books. Yes. English Canadian citizens that live in the province of Quebec are CANADIAN CITIZENS and deserve to be treated as such until – and only if – they separate and become a separate country.
Unfair Hiring Policies in Cornwall –It will all come out in the wash once we deal with Quebec in a realist intelligent straight forward intellectual manner which should have been done LONG AGO. **
Unfair Hiring Policies in Canada – Ditto **
Militia in Quebec – Ditto **
Languages Apartheid – Dditto **
Unfair use of Trillium Funds – Ditto **
Lack of English construction signs on the TC – Ditto **
But anyways, I DO SO hope you have a “do it my way” kind of day 🙂
http://www.pch.gc.ca/eng/1377110095395
“Our Government is very proud to be associated with these organizations that enhance the vitality of New Brunswick’s Francophone and Acadian communities,” said Minister Glover. “English and French are an integral part of our history, our identity and our future. ”
“A total of 19 organizations across New Brunswick will benefit from the funding provided by the Government of Canada. High‑quality projects and programs will be carried out and will support community development. Among today’s recipients are the Association acadienne des artistes professionnel.le.s du Nouveau-Brunswick, the Centre culturel Aberdeen, the Comité organisateur du Congrès mondial acadien 2014, the Conseil provincial des sociétés culturelles, RADARTS, Radio MIRACADIE, and the Société de l’Acadie Nouveau-Brunswick”
****But wait here if french and English is an integral part of our history why are none of the English projects and programs benefiting from this?*****
Oh yes that’s rights LANGUAGE APARTHEID
Highlander August 22, 2013 at 11:52 am
“Oh here is that written Diarrhea again -same over and over”
Hungry for the Truth August 22, 2013 at 10:34 am
Just a reminder to all. This is an opinion expressed in a debate forum. When you jump all over it, could you stick to the basic rules of debate and rebut the issue and not the debater. In simpler words enough with the name calling and personal attacks. Respect and civility are the trademarks when we equally exercise our Right of Freedom of Speech in our Democracy.
“Yet now you attempt at controlling it …that is Jamie’s choice not yours we can still have dialogue without insulting of which you yourself have played a part.”
admin August 22, 2013 at 11:04 am
“Please everyone. Debate the point and not the person. While we miss a few occasionally we do not support name calling on CFN.”
I’m glad to hear that it is within your capacity to follow the moderator’s wishes. Because when rebuttal comments starts with “Oh here is that written Diarrhea again -same over and over” it’s difficult to understand how you are not attacking and name calling the person instead rebutting the posted opinion by the poster.
“Freedom of expression baby ….who made you the moderator oh so great one …man you really are into yourself ….it remains the peoples choice as this remains one of the few bastions of freedom of expression.”
Well maybe I was agreeing with Admin’s comments. Or he was agree with mine. Ether way I am not dictating to any one nor advocating that Freedom of speech be suppressed. Respect and civility are the trademarks when we equally exercise or Right of Freedom of Speech in our Democracy. Sorry that you take offence from expressing my concerns and dislikes to this out of control childish behaviours.
“YOU REALLY DON’T GET IT, ITS NOT JUST A LOCAL ISSUE !”
Some will automatically chime in and say one is not without the other. They are most definitely different one from the other. Although they all relate to Languages they do not all have the same level of importance, when the common objective is to establish a Resolution and strategy to improve and restore fair Hiring Practices.
I think I do get it. You have the right to disagree, it doesn’t change my opinion that one has nothing to with the other. And that every debate needs a direction.
“LFA has the potential to reach 10-15 thousand through their social media groups and networking and growing daily,the message is getting out their….times they r a’changing”
Reaching them and informing them on your opinions is a good thing, but the absence of having a clear Resolution to debate and bring ACTION to all this, remains in my opinion a mish mash of views and opinions. That’s all. No more than aimless conversation.
MONCTON, New Brunswick, August 22, 2013 – “The Honourable Shelly Glover, Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages, today announced a major investment in New Brunswick’s official languages sector.
— The Government of Canada is upholding its commitment to ensuring that Canadians can continue to preserve, celebrate and promote our two official languages across the country.”
This statement is either “written incorrectly” or is a BOLD FACED LIE…
The ONLY way this statement has any truth or validity to it is If — and ONLY IF —
Quebec is an independent separate country of it’s own. PERIOD.
And, if that be the case then, us Canadians NEED an explanation of why we are sending transfer payments (to the tune of billions of our hard earned tax dollars) to a this independent country (Quebec) that is pretending to be a “province.”
Are the people living in Quebec NOT Canadians? Answer. YES… Therefore, the reality of what can be construed as promotion and preservation of the English language (yes, one of the “official languages” in that province is a stretch AT BEST.
Here is a start towards hiring, translation and education fairness possibilities.
http://cornwallfreenews.com/2013/08/outcare-foundation-announces-telemedicine-initiative-for-palliative-care-in-champlain-region-aug-22-2013/
HFTT, it is wonderful that people can come on here and provide a voice, I hope it continues. We pay thousands of people to provide services for us, we should not need to draft expansive documents and presentations to make things better. One complaint to our Ontario French Language Commissioner or Federal counterpart, puts public servants and departments in action, English complaints are so to be handled differently then?
Linguistic Translation Services
Languages Act of Canada
Constitution Of Canada
Bilingualism in Canada
The French Language Service Act of Ontario
Quebec’s English Laws
Quebec’s Language Police
Quebec’s Transfer Payments
Separation Of Quebec
Unfair Hiring Policies in Cornwall
Unfair Hiring Policies in Canada
Militia in Quebec
Languages Apartheid
Unfair use of Trillium Funds
Lack of English construction signs on the TC
Highlander August 22, 2013 at 12:38 pm
“Avenir Quebec remains a separatist group they said they would not bring up the separatist agenda for 10 years ……but political promises are made to be broken .”
The above statement is FALSE. They not support independence nor separation. The 10 year moratorium says that they will revisit the question of separation. It does not say that they do or will support it in ten years.
“The Coalition believes that Québec’s renewal must not be subject to the longstanding constitutional debate but rather relies on the desire of all Quebecers to get rid of political stagnation to regain confidence and succeed.”…. Avenir Quebec website.
The party does not support independence, it advocates Quebec nationalism not Seperation.
“It’s really simple lives for lies you remain blinded by idealism:
And you will continue to fail to understand.”
It’s truly not Idealism that is blinding me. It’s a lack of direction
and a visible sustainable action plan.
This plurality of issues being defended as a singular entity is in my opinion incorrect. They can can never be resolved as ONE entity by their nature of having been created by different authorities. To advocate them to all be as an equal contributors to creating Language unfairness would require all groups or authorities to agree to simultaneous change. How realistic is that?
According to what you are defending all of the following issues are all contributors that is preventing Fair Hiring Practices to be addressed. One can’t be fixed without fixing them all. So in order to restore Hiring Practices all of the following subjects have to be fixed simultaneously?
Linguistic Translation Service
Languages Act of Canada
Constitution Of Canada
Bilingualism in Canada
The French Language Service Act of Ontario
Quebec’s English Laws
Quebec’s Language Police
Quebec’s Transfer Payments
Separation Of Quebec
Unfair Hiring Policies in Cornwall
Unfair Hiring Policies in Canada
Militia in Quebec
Languages Apartheid
Unfair use of Trillium Funds
Lack of English construction signs on the TC
It’s this unrealistic measureless pluralism that blinds me.
How can this all be fixed as one in order to restore Fair Hiring Practices?
Do you have a Resolution and an action plan?
Where do you start?
Stella — once again — spit out
“CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE………LET’S KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!!
To which i reply…
You keep typing this Stella but once again, i ask you. How “free” do you think the Anglophone Canadians in Quebec feel in their own country where they cannot put up a sign on their own business in the MAJORITY common language of the very country the reside in?
C’mon Stella you must have an answer for that one … Share it with us. Are these people REALLY free? Are these Canadians not being treated differently (as second class) in their own country? How do you include these Canadians in your false sense?
“CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE………LET’S KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!!
It may be Free to you, a Franco living in Ontario and reaping all the government benefits that comes with being a Franco Ontarian. But what about these Anglophones living in the French province of Quebec who have had their language outlawed in various ways. Do you really think they see it as “the land of the free?”
Hungry for the Truth….
August 22, 2013 at 2:10 pm
“Resolution to debate and bring ACTION to all this, remains in my opinion a mish mash of views and opinions. That’s all. No more than aimless conversation.”
Thanks for the advice ,but your more then welcome to set up your own bureaucracy and have a time line for implementation oh for over 50 years and have fun with that .
This is but one of the many social media platforms we are involved with besides the various other groups and associations ,but please go ahead and tell all those others we are presently involved with how to do ,what to do ,when to do and how about to go about it!
You have no Idea what happens in the background ,but your more then willing to attempt to control the scenario and to instruct how to do it .(valiant effort ,but lack of vision)
You have what is called grand illusions whereby you are a leader with nobody following ,but keep on your agenda !
You do have 1 follower but my advice is do not use stella as your spokesperson she has a tendency to not like other cultures (I say that nicely) and it would only prove your agenda of ethnocentrism.
Perhaps one of the franco rights groups could support your action as you do belong to them ,and a good possibility supported in one function or another by them.
That is of course through taxpayers money .
We on the other hand are a collective of grass roots movements NOT ON THE TAXPAYERS DOLE ,and requesting for equal rights ,all volunteer’s and an ever growing voice …..there is nothing like being treated as a second class and alienation to drive for the spirit of change!
So lives for lies go forth create your own bureaucracy ,perhaps funded by the franco rights groups for fair hiring (ya right )…more like to keep the status quo ….but leave it to us to voice our concerns and not create a strategy on this site ,as the best chest moves are the ones well thought out WELL in advance and your opponent remains unaware of.
But thanks for the unwarranted advice.
Eric August 22, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Eric,
In my experience, change has to be affected and rarely comes from within. To advocate for change requires more than just lodging a compliant. It requires supportive information to the claim that change is required. Bureaucrats are paid to work within the framework of the Legislation and to respond accordingly.
Surely you can appreciate the magnitude of work involved and planning required to adequately formulate an action plan that will deliver the desired results.
Comme ons dit en francais… “Petit train vas loin” “Une choses a la fois” et j’ajoutrais “Chaques choses en sont temps”
Before one could suggests Linguistic Translation to an Ontario Authority, to be incorporated into the main stream of Public services, should there not be a debate on the subject that can answer questions and based on the consent, formulate a plan
of action with a strategy to affect change?
How much does this cost?
How can it be integrated?
What benefits can it have?
What are the pros and cons?
What is the History from other Countries?
How much will it save?
Can it serve all Public services?
Does it require a bureaucratic structure.
How much Human resources requires.
How does it affect present Laws?
Etc…Etc…etc…..
And a multitude of other questions must be answered collectively in order to contribute and advocate for change. Talking or complaining about it just won’t cut it. ACTION, COMMITMENT AND DETERMINATION.
Exactly, Hungry. These people are madly riding off in all directions, and going nowhere. And the funny thing is, if you point that fact out to them, they all just get p!ssed off. The idea of focusing on the main issue (unfair hiring practices) just doesn’t fly with them. Oh well. They will b!tch and chew about breaking up Canada, and all things French until they burn themselves out, and nothing will change. The concept of “one battle at a time” is beyond their comprehension. On the positive side, you must admit that the freedom-fighters provide a certain amount of entertainment.
Quebec Hydro is giving 40% discount to it’s customers which directly affects the calculations for the province regarding transfer payments.
This means Quebec not only receives their usual LARGEST share of transfer payments compared to the other provinces but, as a result of this “manipulation” they also get that EXTRA chunk (a chunk that could benefit other Canadians if the system wasn’t being abused in this way) because of this discounted rate.
http://youtu.be/MhPcV0gtFR0?t=4m39s
PLUS
Just announced. Quebec is sitting on 46 billion (yes, BILLION) barrels of “untapped” light sweet crude OIL which as Pauline Marois suggests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEKS1hKsmKM&hd=1
Quebec is benefiting from the oil revenue from the western provinces to the tune of billions per year yet they have the gall to say…
“If we separate they can keep this wealth to themselves and not have to share it with the rest of Canada but if we remain in Canada we will have to share that oil revenue with the ROC.”
The longer we sit by and wait the more (majority Anglophone tax money) they suck from the ROC each and every day/year/minute until that moment WHEN “THEY” DECIDE they are ready to go.
It’s time that we woke up and turned the table so that “WE” decide.
Hungry for the Truth….
August 22, 2013 at 6:02 pm
“Before one could suggests Linguistic Translation to an Ontario Authority, to be incorporated into the main stream of Public services, should there not be a debate on the subject that can answer questions and based on the consent, formulate a plan
of action with a strategy to affect change?”
There should have been a debate as well on the official languages act as well …early morning(MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT) in Nov 1986 55 out of 125 members voted on it in Ontario and in french first ,the english version came latter -Hansard report.
BILINGUALISM
How much does this cost?………trillions
How can it be integrated?………..require all to be fully bilingual
What benefits can it have?……….near 60% of federal employee’s will come from Quebec
What are the pros and cons?…..pro’s -42 years latter a .1% gain ,cons Language Apartheid
What is the History from other Countries?- conflict!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How much will it save?…………….not save but cost taxpayers trillions!
Can it serve all Public services?……bilingualism even where numbers do not warrant!
Does it require a bureaucratic structure……..huge bureaucratic structure for one language
How much Human resources requires……..hundreds of thousands mainly from Quebec
How does it affect present Laws?…….it negates present laws with the notwithstanding clause
Etc…Etc…etc…..
Perhaps those same questions should have been asked for the official languages act -before it was pushed and rushed through in the middle of the night.
So if there was very little debate on official languages act of Ontario legislation which certainly is of more important the linguistic translation -WHY DEBATE!
Or is translation services more important then legislation?
GO AHEAD THERE LIVES FOR LIES -START HER UP …WE WILL BE WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND .
@yorlik once again I spit out:
“THE MAJORITY OF CANADIANS DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT QUEBEC’S PROBLEMS” You shouldn’t either…..
yorlik wrote: But what about these Anglophones living in the French province of Quebec who have had their language outlawed in various ways. Do you really think they see it as “the land of the free?”
I have unilingual english friends who live in Ville Lasalle who have great jobs and never have a problem. When visiting Montreal I never encountered any problems when speaking English.
The freedom fighter gang seems to be the only ones who seem to have a problem. Of course when one is looking to push a radical agenda of course they will find any type of situation to further their cause. They will even make some up and exaggerate it to the hilt.