In 1994, I graduated from St.Lawrence College with Distinction as a Registered Nurse. Over the years, I have worked locally & in the USA specializing in four areas; Critical Care, Operating Room, Post Anesthetic Care Room & Hemo-Dialysis units.
Recently, I resigned from the Cornwall Community Hospital due to the inability to obtain full-time employment or advancement in my career. My obstacle being that I am English only and not bilingual (English and French). There is a systemic problem with unfair language requirements in healthcare in my hometown of Cornwall, ON. This is worrisome to me on several levels. Are the most qualified healthcare professionals being hired? Are people in our community getting the highest quality healthcare they deserve? And finally, what is our government doing to protect the rights of English speakers?
My children are enrolled in French Immersion; but at the end of the day will they be deemed “French” enough to garner a good job? Will they benefit from this social engineering? An RN must speak A- French to work at Cornwall Community Hospital. An RN must be bilingual to work at Community Care Access Centre. When an RN must be bilingual to administer a Flu shot, and yet, at the same time, life-saving CPR training is only considered an asset for employment at the Eastern Ontario Health Unit; I ask, where do we draw the line?
I am thankful to have my New York State Nursing licence. I am currently employed at a hospital in New York State as a Full-time Nursing Supervisor. However, many professionals in our community are not so fortunate and are forced to either relocate or give up their careers, entirely. Sadly, highly educated nursing graduates from St.Lawrence College will never have the opportunity to work in their own community, due to this unfair language legislation.
Recently, a group of concerned citizens formed a non-profit organization; Language Fairness for ALL. Our goal is to promote fair hiring practices. If you are concerned about your future, your childrens’ futures or your grandchildrens’ futures, I urge you to support LFA. Together we can make a difference!
Debbie Cameron RN
Long Sault,ON
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Oh, was Furtz looking for French ONLY or bilingual mandatory job postings for nurses and hospital staff
No need to even click on the individual job postings here. It tells you flat out
Please note that all postings are available in French only.
http://www.hopitalmontfort.com/en/job-opportunities
No Kilroy. I asked “Are there any hospitals in Canada that offer full-time (with benefits) nursing positions anymore?”
Get a grip, Pal. Just a simple question.
No worries Furtzie, no “loss of grip” here. Just making sure to keep you up to date with the cr@p that’s going on in this country that you and the rest of the agitator gang seemingly refuse to notice.
You know, cr”p going on in the COUNTRY called Canada with it`s rogue province that treats English people like SH!T and has a premier who believes (and is going around saying) that she runs her own country called the country of Quebec. Of course, she`s forgotten to cut off the `PAYMENTS`coming from the majority Anglo Canadians in the ROC.
And on that note i would like to wish you a `poli-grip` kinda day eh 🙂
@WolfnotSheep……….Excellent post and absolutely right. Your comments has put the icing on the cake. With all due respect, some of your comments were mentioned before, but let me say this…..It is refreshing to see a new comer post and share his/her thoughts on this subject. Your comments were priceless especially when you said
“Decided that, because of the changing working world (like everything else in life) she would educate herself in learning a second language……..yep that says it all!!!!!
yorlik wrote: Why SHOULD the English majority allow themselves to be forced to HAVE TO learn French in their own country???
NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE it is your choice whether you want to learn both official languages of this country. If you chose not to, don’t complain.
I’m glad to know that you have a solid grip on whatever is important to you, Kilroy.
Carry on, but don’t squeeze it too hard.
Stella language may be part of skillsets , but when its mandatory all other skillsets or Education remains irrelevant as that one particular skillset takes precedence.
When you have well educated and experienced people weeded out only on the basis of the knowledge of a minority language that only 500 people are limited only to in Cornwall perhaps Cornwall is as bad as everyone says .
500 French only speakers in Cornwall ,yept 65% + of all Government positions must be bilingual?
100% health unit bilingual ,yet Cornwall wonders where their educated youth go?
80%+
of you are not bilingual ,what are your opportunities or your childrens or grandchildren.?
Should the 20% bilingual be the only ones with opportunities?
If you agree then we are well on our way to a class system.
If you do not ,stand up for your rights !!!! Representation by population in a democracy is just and fair.
When a nurse or a doctor is in charge of a patient you don’t go and search for someone else to do your job. If you are not qualified for the job then you have to go. Jobs are becoming as rare as hens teeth these days. One woman who works across from me has children working and the son is working on a contract until December and then out. I have seen jobs around that are only “part time” and Debbie Cameron is complaining. Nurses earn big money and one should not complain. I have been reading where people have to leave Canada and the US and for where? The situation world wide is the same result and Europe and Australia and New Zealand are a great deal more expensive than here in the far west and no work either. I even read that there is a lack of food in Europe. Nurses should not complain at all. When you have patient what goes on in highly confidential and you are not going to run all over the place for another nurse or whoever to interpret. If you do not know the two official languages then it is your problem and not someone else’s. Nobody is going to cater to you – if you are not qualified then too bad.
Stella get real please, your comment “Decided that, because of the changing working world (like everything else in life) she would educate herself in learning a second language……..yep that says it all!!!!!”
Please Stella go back and re-read the post. Did he say his mother, AFTER EDUCATING HERSELF, can speak French fluently? Did he say his mother can read French fluently? No he said she had a paper that was “legal bilingual”, whatever that is. Just where is that going to take her, when the position calls for bilingualism, to the back of the bus Stella, to the back of the bus.!!!!!!!
@ Piper. Have you approached Hudak re this crime against humanity? Is he and his party on side with yous freedome-fighters?
Bravo Debbie Cameron!!!! So proud of you for standing up for what is right! Keep up the excellent work.
@stellabystarlight RE: POST on October 11, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Stella responded” yorlik wrote: Why SHOULD the English majority allow themselves to be forced to HAVE TO learn French in their own country???
NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE it is your choice whether you want to learn both official languages of this country. If you chose not to, don’t complain.”
I know it is beyond you to comprehend this Stella so don’t hurt yourself trying but, it is important for you to know that your logic is non nonsensical.
As i pointed out before. What you are saying is akin to the idea of standing in a window on the 21st floor of a burning building and the flames are burning your butt and you have no other way out but to jump, even though it is indeed “a freewill choice” (rather than standing there and burning to death) to jump, it realistically CANNOT BE CONSIDERED — a legitimate “no one is forcing you” type of choice. —
Most intelligent people (and some lawyers) would call it, “a choice under duress …”
And on that note i would like to wish you a “here’s hoping you enjoy the scenery on your way down from the 21st floor” type of day eh 🙂
Some of you are really ill informed or just like creating stories. I a qualified RN living in
the province de Quebec and do not speak English very well. Bilingualism is become more and
more of a Job requirement. Some of you seem to be convinced of your false information. What is happening in Ontario is happening all over. Even Quebec. I take now a course in English to better me No pissed off at the World. I can learn Medicine i can learn English. That’s all. I don’t say maudit English no I better me. Merci.
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@Jules
Debbie Cameron is a Qualified nurse and a Canadian citizen who happens to belong to the majority group of this country know as the Anglophones. I KNOW it is difficult for you to understand what is going on here and frankly your stories involving the escapes of friends, family and neighbors that none of us know don’t impress anyone reading. As i suggested before. PLEASE go to Quebec and tell them they should not be complaining before trying to tell this to those of us who are in the right to do so then, when you come back here (if you survive the experience) to report back to us how they accepted the idea of someone telling them they should not be whining and complaining about their language and culture having been allowed to flourish as a defeated clan we’ll truly get an idea of REALITY.
Have you tried knitting. I hear that’s a good hobby.
Talk to your doctor in 170 languages: GTA launches 24/7 medical interpreter service
“Dr. Samir Sinha, UHN’s director of geriatrics, said at least one-quarter of his patients could benefit from the service. Even patients who are fully bilingual may find their ability to speak a second language deteriorates as they age, particularly those with dementia.”
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2012/10/01/talk_to_your_doctor_in_170_languages_gta_launches_247_medical_interpreter_service.html
Canada is not bilingual English/French anymore, Time for Canada to wake up. TY immigration.
For those who haven’t seen Christopher Cameron’s YouTube video about language discrimination at Cornwall Community Hospital;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMBl7ZOVfBg
@Jacquelynne Dubois RE: your post on October 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm
These two issues (English in Quebec, Canada — and French in the rest of Canada)
— are not comparable —
French is a “provincial” language and English is the common / main language of the country Canada. Excluding Quebec over 90% of the population in the ROC is English. So living inside Quebec means you would likely know French which is fine but — YOU — as someone who also lives and works as a nurse in — ONE — province which is “inside the country of Canada” should know the language of that country also — English — It’s not the same the other way around because FRENCH is only a regional language that applies to Quebec.
I had hoped that by placing our son in French immersion he would acquire the linguistic skills necessary to be able to grasp opportunity here in Canada. But unfortunately it is not about coping in an unrealistic, lopsided bilingual country that disregards the original intent of the federal legislation it created in an act of fairness to protect the rights of two invading cultures. We as taxpayers permitted our hard earned dollars to be used to fund a political party whose agenda was to create an environment to further the potential of separation, to divide our country. If only we could see ourselves as others see us. Canadians more than ever before have evolved into complacent politically ignorant fools who accept that politicians lie, steal, misrepresent and cheat as if it was somehow okay or normal. Nero fiddled while Rome burned ( actually a myth ) what are we doing ? We cannot even get off the couch to vote in meaningful numbers.
We cannot provide careers in any numbers to retain our youth in Cornwall. Where are the jobs in any number that can support a family ? Where is the leadership within our community ? A few individuals doing nothing of consequence patting themselves on the back for what ?
My son, after careful consideration for his future, is leaning to immigrating to Australia.
My wife and I told him we would be happy to visit.
yorlik: because FRENCH is only a regional language that applies to Quebec.
This may be beyond your comprehension but just try to stay focused for a minute.
THIS COUNTRY HAS TWO OFFICIAL LANGUAGES; FRENCH AND ENGLISH. Did you grasp that so far? OK!!
French is not a provincial language thing nor regional. The French language is spoken throughout this great country, The amount spoken is irrelevant because it was a personal choice that each individual made. No pain…no gain…….that simple.
Downplaying or distorting the facts won’t make them come true.
@edudyorlik
Allo
Canada has constitution and it say English/French language official.
Canada 34,482,798 census 2011
You say 90% English. How come. That wrong.
10% is 3,482,798 what you meen 10%
in Quebec is French 7,500,000
Canada about another French 1,650,000
Total about 24% of Canada French.
You say allot no English in Quebec.
Why need English for job in Quebec if no English service?
Almost 1/4 of Canada is French.
Quebec 42% speak two language of Canada
Ontario 31% speak two language of Canada
You no like that OK. I speak French and little bit English i get no job in
Ontario like the Debbie.
I no run to US. I learn English.
Merci
@David Oldham. Well said David. Re: the complacency and voter apathy.
The “pulse of the people” that i am picking up is that the lower voter turnout numbers are more an indication of capitulation than they are of apathy or lazy complacency. Yes, on the surface, it does appear that we, as a voting public are complacent and apathetic but, i believe this has more to do with the idea that voters have realized that, given how dysfunctional “the system” has become, voting for whatever party amounts to the same thing in the end (or, close to the same thing with some minor differences thrown in) in the end anyways, so why bother.
When people are faced with expending the energy to do something that provides such minimal choice and a predictable “no win” outcome either way, then most (myself included) legitimately feel — why bother —
It’s the old, do i vote to cut off my arm, or vote to cut off my leg? Which one is going to be less painful and prove to be less destructive? Then, in the end the decision is, aww, to heck with it. It really doesn’t make any difference. I’ll let someone else decide.
If there were REAL differences, and REAL chance for change, and a real opportunity (as the old saying goes) to “toss out the bad guys and get someone in there that will really do something good” then “MAYBE” the motivation would be there to take part of that selection process.
But… As we have seen with the Conservatives and this French issue. There really is NOT MUCH of a difference between them, the Liberals the NDP.
Unfortunately the Conservatives (even though they — for the most part — don’t depend on the French vote) are just “towing the line” with what is there while attempting to not rock the boat.
Granted, they are faced with the the reality of the unprecedented entrenchment of “the French fact” in our system yet despite this they indeed — have tried — “some” small push backs which the other parties have not (and WOULD NOT) ever have done, nor contemplated. But, sadly… For the most part, things are still just chugging along as usual, within the same ol’ “status quo.”
Only three things that “MIGHT” change things in a positive way in this country.
A) Quebec separates and the ROC goes back to a more British system.
B) a revolution where by the majority Anglophone people gather together in unity and demand an end to this waste of billions of dollars on “official bilingualism”
OR
C) A new political party. And, if a new political party is the answer, then my hope would be that it would be a Liberal minded (in it’s social and ethical concepts) party that at the same time realizes the unfairness and disparity between — what the French feel they deserve for themselves — and, what they are demanding of the ROC.
The facts are there for all to see… We see that in their own little enclave province of Quebec they have proven (by literally outlawing the English language) that they want nothing to do with the English language or the English culture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPk2sijbgs&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hKXw24la-8&hd=1
While at the same we can also see that they are pushing official bilingualism on the rest of the majority Anglophones in this country which, to any sane person who takes even just a cursory look will appreciate exactly what this means, which is…
— ONLY ONE THING —
SELF governance and ENTITLEMENT for — ONLY the French — with a push for eventually being the dominant and ruling entity in this country.
WHICH — SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE to any of us —
Especially those who gave their lives and were victorious in the battles over who would ultimately have the right to be the ones to determine the direction and fate of this country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydasumUEKAg&hd=1
The funny thing is Madame Dubois could get a job @CCH, even though her English skills are poor.The thing is nurses are sent for french testing in Ottawa @ New Avenues & must get an A-, English is NOT tested @ a100% English functioning hospital.Does this not worry you, would you like Madame Dubois being your nurse????
I sure as hell would not.Can you say medication error & that’s only the tip of the iceberg.
CCH is playing russian roulette with our healthcare.
SCARED????
You should be!!!!
Stella wrote, “THIS COUNTRY HAS TWO OFFICIAL LANGUAGES; FRENCH AND ENGLISH. Did you grasp that so far? OK!!”
Hey Stella, someone forgot to tell “the powers that be” in Quebec THE FACT that “THIS COUNTRY HAS TWO OFFICIAL LANGUAGES.” i don’t think — YOU — or they have “grasped” that FACT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUkNVjM4Gc&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3t72RUYAls&hd=1
After all, Quebec IS PART OF THIS COUNTRY ISN’T IT?
Oh but, you conveniently — “Downplay & distort that fact” when you spew don’t you? NICE !!
But hey, i would still like to wish you a “YELLING out LOUD that this is a bilingual country over and over again won’t make it come true” kind of day eh 🙂
PS:
Here are some “FACTS” taken directly from the 2011 census …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui_XgfFceYc&hd=1
David Oldham,
Absolutely Right .
People do not realize that Quebecers move into Cornwall because because of this artificial need for bilingualism and therefore locals are displaced and moved out.
Folks check out the reality look at the license plates at local Ontario government as well as Federal government ,it will be a wake up call ,but that requires you to get off your asses and do something,if not for yourself ,but if you would like your kids or grandkids not to be displaced as well.
Cornwall Community Hospital has at least 7 physio therapist come from Dorion daily ,are there not local physio therapists ?NO,NO they must be BILINGUAL!
Don’t believe me I dare you to be informed and check it out.
There are many such instances like this in Cornwall and Area .
Pay attention to what goes on around you ,Take a look at how many Quebecers work for the local health unit ,displacing our educated youth.
I was happy reading in LE DROIT that francophone numbers keep going up in Ontario. Good for us. Merci Jaqueline pour ton message. Kilroy has been posting edited videos and cropped pics to try and prove his point. We are doing fine. Et tu es la preuve que, Those that can, do, those that can’t ( or don’t want to) complain.
ON October 12, 2013 at 11:41 am English Lassie, then shortly afterwards Highlander both said everything i would say,
English Lassie wrote,
“The funny thing is Madame Dubois could get a job @CCH, even though her English skills are poor.”
AND Highlander wrote,
“Folks check out the reality look at the license plates at local Ontario government as well as Federal government ,it will be a wake up call ,but that requires you to get off your asses and do something,if not for yourself ,but if you would like your kids or grandkids not to be displaced as well.”
I would add, check out the license plates at the University of Ottawa, the Montfort hospital and Tunney’s Pasture (a large government complex that is close to the bridges going over to Quebec.) SAME THING. 85% + Quebec plates (and in the case of the Montfort, the plates belong to both the employees and the patients in from Quebec as well.)
In the case of Tunny’s Pasture you actually get a fumy look if your speaking English in the cafeteria where practically everyone (including the cooking and cleaning staff) are mostly of French decent.
OH and JD.
The language issue between
French and a province of Quebec
AND
English and the country of Canada
IS still NOT COMPARABLE … THEY ARE two VERY different concepts.
Jacqueline Dubois un très grand merci de ma part. Vous avez dit la véritée et les Anglais ne me crois pas du tout. Ce soir j’ai meme fait une recherché sur le Canada et le Canada est vraiment “bilingue” et personne ici me Croix sauf “Stellastarlight” qui est bilingue. Encore un très grand merci de ma part et vous faites un grand effort en Anglais et un bon travail.
“Edudyorlik” YAHOO! French licence plates at Tunney’s Pasture. YAHOO! YAHOO! I can’t say enough Yahoo’s hear without sounding like a literal Yankee Hillbillie. LOL LOL. ROLF! You made my day and I think that I will celebrate besides Thanksgiving. That is my Thanksgiving of a gift. YAHOO! So happy to hear that. Canada is a bilingual country and like I told Jacqueline I did the research this evening and it is all true. YAHOO!
Jacqueline Dubois il n’y a pas assez de merci que je peux vous donner. Vous avez fait ma soirée ou je suis en si bonne humeure ce soir. C’est comme j’ai reçu un don quand j’ai tombé sur votre poste la meme fois quand Edudyorlik a dit qu’il y a beaucoup de Québecois dans le governement federal ici à Ottawa ou j’habite. C’est avec grand plaisir que vous avez poster. Merci.
Richard Tremblay je flotte dans l’air ce soir. Je suis très heureuse d’entendre ces bonnes nouvelles. Merci à vous aussi.
Jacqueline et Richard la plus belle province est la province de Québec. Québec est la province ou ma mère est née et je sens comme je suis une partie de la grande famille francophone.
Jacqueline vous avez bien fait en Anglais et continue comme telle. Vous êtes mieux qualifié que les autres et ils et elles sont des laches et des finéants de ne pas vouloir apprendre la belle langue française.
Edudyorlik Canada is a bilingual country and I looked at that myself this evening and was so happy that I came here to say that and Jacqueline and yourself and Richard came on and I am so happy that if I was like the lady on Bewitched to be able to float around the room and twitch my nose and have everything done that I want to have done I would be in even more glory than I am now. I was and am so mighty happy that you said about the Québec licence plates working at Tunney’s Pasture (I worked there for a while as well in the mid 70’s), the Monfort Hospital and Université d’Ottawa. You made my evening YAHOO!
About knitting and other hobbies I have so many of them on the go that I need to come here to laugh and rejoice. I am so happy after what you said that I can hardly express myself but I am in the best of mood that I could ever be.
Allot of mistakes you say. Quebec is in Canada. When I work I pay Canada tax and Quebec.
If Quebec not Canada I no pay tax to Fédéral Gouvernement Ok.
I live in the Quebec and the other workers in le Quebec pay taxes to to the
Gouvernement du Canada..
You say again no English in Quebec. Why need English for job then?
I like Quebec and I learn English so I get job in Quebec to speak to Englishers.
You should do like me to speak to the Frenchers. Learn and no complain and bitch.
Tu parle a tarvers ton chapeau mon ami.
1/4 of le Cnd. parle francais.
I no Separatiste. Quebec et le Cananda je vous aimes. et je paye.
Les jobs en Ontario demande plus souvent Anglais que francais. because la majority is English
pourquoi pas Francais pour les jobs au Quebec because la majorité Francais.
@edudyorlik
he say this …..
“OH and JD.
The language issue between
French and a province of Quebec
AND
English and the country of Canada
IS still NOT COMPARABLE … THEY ARE two VERY different concepts”
Me Jacquelynne say this.
Dans ta tête que ça existe autrement . Pour moi qui vit ici en pratique et realité ta aucune crédibilité.
De l’anglais t’en veut c’est pas dificile a trouver. Vas au coins des rues Atwater et Green et donne mois en des nouvelles. Tu vas te demander çi t’es partie de l’Ontario. Toutes les services sont disponible en français et English.
If you need de l’aide with the traduction the school i go to learn the English aussi teach the
français. The mind is a wonderful thing when you use it to better you. No complain do
something to help you never mind the bitching aboutt how bad frenchers are they good Canadien
who pay tax like you. If you need the help I teach you Français ok.
Merci.
Tu te pense grand avec tes vidéos qui ne prouve rien du tout. De l’information déformer sortie the
context pour lui faire dire n’importe-quoi qui aide ta cause.
OMG… That’s all i can say…
Think i am going to take a break from this craziness for a bit. Maybe I’ll download some old episodes of bewitched.
Un-freakin believable…
Maybe you should twitch your nose and help the “faculty” of the university of Ottawa communicate with this paying student in her own damn language (ENGLISH) in the city of OTTAWA ONTARIO CANADA
http://youtu.be/XiMciGy2vkk?t=1m6s
And on that note, i would like to wish you a “please, I IMPLORE you to go to Quebec and lecture them about how Canada is a country with two official languages” kind of day eh 🙂
Have fun folks…
Here’s a bunch of links from New Brunswick, French Lobby groups getting what they want. In NB we have 2 Health care authorities, One for English and One for French, by law both must provide language of choice. Makes No sense to have separate healthcare system.
This link has some good info
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/duality-s-long-grip-on-new-brunswick-politics-1.1228423
MLA’s punished for bringing up concerns of bilingualism and duality:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/parrott-s-ouster-from-pc-caucus-revives-duality-debate-1.1132937
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/pc-mlas-apologize-over-duality-comments-1.1020266
Official Language Commissioner wanting a ban on Bilingual daycare’s:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/ban-bilingual-daycares-watchdog-urges-1.1002886
Official Language Act being reviewed behind closed doors:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/official-languages-act-being-reviewed-in-secret-1.1185993
Bilingual postings concern union rep:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PeoplesAllianceNB/permalink/641910632507381/
New electoral boundaries map may be challenged by francophones
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-electoral-boundaries-map-may-be-challenged-by-francophones-1.1307673
NB fails miserably at graduating bilingual students, 2008 article but if you look at today’s statistics nothing has changed. In 2008 french program was changed to grade 5, government wanted to make sure students grasped the basics on reading, writing, math and science before students learned a new language. School district also wanted 70% of its students to graduate fluent in french. illiterate population in New Brunswick is very high, % a little higher among french population.
http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2008/02/28/nb-fails-miserably-at-graduating-bilingual-students/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/n-b-students-won-t-begin-french-until-grade-5-1.707594
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/literacy-skills-deemed-key-to-improving-provincial-economy-1.1361177
40+ years of being a OB province, the segregation of the french, our language commissioner says this:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/government-lags-behind-public-in-bilingualism-support-1.1333079
For the first time in 40 years the use of the french language declined in NB, the bilingual population declined while the anglophone population grew.
This is the petition that was started for Anglophone’s because simply put it has gotten out of hand with bilingualism in NB. French is French, English is Bilingual.
http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/the-government-of-new-brunswick-stop-the-hiring-discrimination-against-citizens-who-speak-only-english
A counter petition was started from 3 Acadian’s asking the government to keep its promise of a 50% bilingual workforce.
In NB we are not a bilingual province, we are now spending big bucks trying to save a language
Richard tremblay, did La Droit tell you the current Ontario liberal government changed the definition of Francophone in 2009? Just to increase the number, but Canada Census does not use it. After 40 plus years and billions of dollars, Ontario does not justify the goals set out from the late PET. We still need an unbiased review of this program so the Anglo and Franco can return to Canadian, working together.
richard, if you want to see complaints, take a look at imperatif francais http://www.imperatif-francais.org/
NB,
So in NewBrunswick what was to be BILINGUAL now has transformed into duality of education and health services?
So what happened to just bilingual ….apparently NB language commish no longer believes in bilingual but segregated services like daycare.
Wow now French only hospitals and bilingual hospitals …is there a chance anymore of a unilingual English professional to work at a hospital or the odds more like winning the lottery?
Cornwall has French only clinics ,in fact in eastern Ontario there are 9 of them besides a French only Hospital (Monfort),sounds like we are becoming like NB ,for that 4% francophone population in Ontario.
Cornwall has minimum 65% bilingual hiring in government to serve 21% ,infact they hire from Quebec as there are not enough bilingual professionals to fill those positions here .Just 1 example of many is the 7 physio therapist who commute from Dorion (Quebec) to work here at Cornwall Community Hospital (NOT so much for community hiring).
What is it like in NB ? Do Quebecers take the border mandatory bilingual jobs like here and Ottawa,Did you know that over 43,000 people cross from Quebec in Ottawa daily to work for the government?
The going joke is Ottawa is majority French during the day and English at night as Ottawa’s fracophone community is 13%.
What do you expect when the taxpayers are footing the tab for francophone rights groups to advocate for French rights at the costs of Billions a year .
We know the Acadians get all kinds of government funding to lobby government like the 700+ French rights groupsin Canada with many having a variety of chapters therefore thousands of groups .
Does NB anglophones get government funding to lobby governments like the Acadians?
How can NB afford duality of services ,then again how can Ontario?
@EDUDYORLIK I was greatly saddened by your remarks concerning that even yourself had fallen into the why bother let someone else decide category . At the same time I was infuriated at this pathetic stance of tolerance to your own country. You are obviously not alone in your attitude towards politics in Canada as an approaching minority decides the fate of the majority at all three levels of our bureaucracy . Shameful ! We watch as fellow humans in various parts of the world struggle under the control of dictators, religious zealots, etc and people in our own country do not comprehend that their potential freedom of democracy is being slowly eroded by not exercising their right (duty) to vote. In Australia voting is compulsory !
I was even more disappointed to realize EDUDYORLIK that you could spend hours/days and effort so freely here and yet not be able to make time or truly acknowledge the privilege of being able to cast an individual vote ! It is my opinion that an individual who chooses not to vote elects to forfeit their right to be heard, in other words no voice, no right to an opinion. To argue a point, to stand up for a belief, passionately concerned and interested and then not to vote your heart your conviction to the best of your ability would be to me like a runner stopping just before the finish line.
Thanks for the info and the links NB.
@Highlander re: POST on October 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm
NB,
So in NewBrunswick what was to be BILINGUAL now has transformed into duality of education and health services?
So what happened to just bilingual ….apparently NB language commish no longer believes in bilingual but segregated services like daycare.”
Yeah, it would seem that — this is their schtick Highlander —
politely and nicely ask for, bilingual services” Then once “entrenchment” of the French fact takes place there is NO TURNING BACK since mostly the French have been hired into the main positions they then get to decide the future steps, then it becomes, — we want this to be French ONLY hospital or university…” at which point the Anglophones begin to rightfully complain. Only to be ostracized for complaining about the poor “minority” French struggling along.
What a plan eh ?
Highlander wrote, “Wow now French only hospitals and bilingual hospitals …is there a chance anymore of a unilingual English professional to work at a hospital or the odds more like winning the lottery?”
Yup, and not only that. Let’s say Dr Smith (an English Dr in the “English” hospital) is a better heart surgeon. It would seem that since most of the French CAN INDEED SPEAK ENGLISH they get the opportunity to pick and choose to use their English skills and see Dr Smith where as this CANNOT work the other way round. If the French Dr is the better heart surgeon he is available to ONLY the French.
And on it goes…
I also wanted to show these videos from youtube. This is a NB blogger (Acadian) who had made a complaint to the Language commissioner, well this blogger got a letter back in french watch his reactions:
Commissioner of Official Languages for New Brunswick Michel Carrier replies to blogger ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaTdwWDgYx0
Commissioner of Official Languages for New Brunswick Michel Carrier letter is read by Chiac Acadian:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhYO2B5MCro
Commissioner of Official Languages for NB Michel Carrier letter is read by French immersion student
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefIUoxLQUY
So I ask, what Kind of french is being taught/learned in NB and the country? Its pathetic to see these types of videos of seeing one type of french having difficulty reading and understanding another french type. Also take sometime to browse his video’s he has a lot of hate among Anglophones and he has many video’s showing it.
@Highlander
The Bilingual card is played to get support, many anglophones here in NB support Bilingualism but don’t support on how its being done ie the segregation that has happened/requirements. As for jobs, in the past we had issues and had to recruit from Quebec to meet demands, RCMP is a example. The Acadian Society wants a 50% bilingual workforce which makes no sense since we only have a 32% bilingual population which even that is on the decline. The Acadian Society gets 2 meetings a year with our premier to bring up their concerns and suggestions, the last meeting was in regards of franco immigrants and how they want more and suggested that NB follows Quebec’s lead on recruiting from franco only countries, suggesting NB work with Quebec to get more franco immigrants into NB.
Here In Moncton we had an issue regarding signage, A francophone ended up going to the media and complaining that their signage was not bilingual. In Moncton, bilingual signage bylaws are voluntarily up to businesses. The green party then came out and said if businesses don’t wanna volunteer to bilingual signs then we must make a law and force all businesses to have bilingual signage.
As for our social programs and essential services, government has already said we cannot afford them but won’t admit that paying for dual services based on language is hurting us as a province. In our healthcare, government is and has cut front line positions from both institutions (1k positions to be cut) 600 anglophone side, 400 franco side. We are the only province without a catastrophic drug plan, and we have 60k people without a doctor.
Our province is 10% unilingual francophones (75k), 58% anglophones, 32%-/+ bilingual, NB lotto is now training its staff korean because that population is growing. NB is $11 billion in debt, $500 million deficit, we also get $1.5 billion in equalization payments. The deficit which was suppose to be balanced next year was promised by our current government, and he promised to balance it without tax hikes, books won’t be balanced, we have seen tax hikes on practically everything and big cuts and our deficit ended up being worst then the previous government. No job growth in a decade, only half our population works and pays taxes and our government population growth strategy is to recruit more francophone immigrants.
A mes copains et copines francophone, je vous souhaite une tres belle journee d’Action de Grace.
@Jaqueline merci et bon courage dans tes etudes de langue anglaise.
Wow……I guess Jaqueline who is from Quebec set the record straight as to the freedom fighter’s claims on how the English are treated in Quebec. For 3 years now, we have been saying the same thing…….that unilingual English people living in Quebec are not treated as bad as yorlik and his gang claim. Jaqueline is the living proof. I also have English friends living there……..NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.
Nothing like you tube videos to prove your point…..especially coming from anti French radical activist.
Jacqueline Dubois le seul manière d’apprendre l’anglais c’est d’écouter le télé en Anglais et le radio aussi et de faire beaucoup la lecture. Je suis une femme de soixante-deux ans née et élevée dans une famille mélanger de francophone et Anglophone et j’ai frequentée un école francophone et j’ai eue le succes. Les Anglophones ici sont des fénéants et très bornés.
J’ai travaillée avec des filles francophones de Québec dans le governement federal et elles voulaient apprendre l’anglais et elles ont aidé à faire le travail en Anglais pour faire connaitre les mots et elles faisaient les recherches des mots de quoi ils s’sagit. Au moins vous essayé de mettre votre point au courant et je vous félicite pour votre effort et c’est beaucoup mieux que les autres ont fait. Bonne chance avec votre Anglais. Je suis mieux en français que l’anglais quand sa vient à la grammaire et vous pouvez rire mais c’est la véritée.
The Montfort Hospital has always been a French hospital situated in the eastern part of Ottawa and has been there ever since. This hospital serves the French community and I worked with one of the nurses who used to work there and joined us in the federal government and went down as a clerk since she was so mighty burned out being a registered nurse. We used to have so much fun with her. There were other nurses who left the profession as well because of the stress.
Things are changing and Cornwall is getting more francophones than before so learn to live with it. Like Jacqueline said that Québecors pay very high taxes and more than what we pay in Ontario but they get the least in services and that is the truth. I worked with many from Québec and many Anglophones who were very nice people and I always think about all of them – good memories are planted in me and not one word of hatred towards any particular group. You have to learn to live with others and learn other languages. One young man even spoke Arabic to my husband one time at the Your Independent at Alta Bank and he was learning that at Ottawa U. He was not of Arab origin at all but a Canadian (blonde hair and blue eyed) and if one wants to learn they sure can. I have heard another Canadian with three languages English, French and Spanish and was working at Wal Mart at the same time going to school. One man from Brazil had four languages of Portuguese, Spanish, English and French and was proficient in all four and working as a salesman for furniture in a store. It is all in your hands what you want to do and if you are not prepared then you fall behind and in the cracks. At least some of you have young children where they can learn easier than an adult can since they are not bogged down with responsibilities and now is the time to give them the opportunities that you have not been given.
@David Oldham.
You have a right to “your” opinion David.
I would argue that what you seem to believe in “as being actual free choice” is nothing more than a well orchestrated illusion “by the powers that be.” A presentation which, as clearly illustrated by your belief in it, has obviously achieved the EXACT objective intended in the first place.
The illusion, of course, is that you have an actual choice rather than, “just a choice of” what is presented — TO YOU —
In other words, the room is filled with a thousand items but yet, “the powers that be” and “the system” only ever present you with say — six items — to choose from.
I’ll leave it to you to decide if that is actual “free choice” enough for you.
As for voting and Australia. Their system is based on proportional representation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation) which, in my humble opinion, is a much better system that is MUCH MORE (pardon the intended pun) representational of the wishes of the electorate. And thus, is further complimented by the very fact that voting is indeed compulsory.
By the way, I totally and completely agree with and have much more faith in — that type of system — as far as “democratic” systems go, and would be happy to be “forced” to provide my choice of whom I deem worthy of representing me under it.
Now, getting back to your “right to your opinion.”
I think it’s important to note that, having one (an opinion that is) does not automatically entail that it is accurate.
Oh and, for the record…
The taxes i pay
— GIVE ME JUST AS MUCH RIGHT to be heard as ANYONE —
As a matter of fact, even more right to be heard, I believe, than the person on welfare who votes religiously.
And on that note, I wish you a good day sir.
Jules Oct 13 8:28pm
“The Montfort Hospital has always been a French hospital situated in the eastern part of Ottawa and has been there ever since. This hospital serves the French community”
Jules Montfort has specified it was a French hospital ,then when the Department of National Defence was looking for facilities for their treatment of military personnel suddenly they claimed to be a bilingual hospital to get those funds from DND and develop the hospital further.
The issue is this :Is there a hospital in Ontario that only cater to Anglophones as MONTFORT does for francophones ?
They were to be bilingual but now after the fact of DND they remain in French correspondence and their statement is to serve the french community!
So being their are technically 3 Hospitals (Ottawa,Queensway ,Montfort ) and francophones are 13% of Ottawa’s population why then is there a need for bilingual at 65% for the other hospitals if Montfort can supply those needs.
Should the other Hospitals indicate that they are there to supply the needs of the anglophone community?
NOW FOLKS OUT THERE NB has shown you the parallel health services in New Brunswick and the many problems that exist for it ,it would appear Ontario is at the start of having ITS OWN parallel health system as we already have a parallel education system .
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF AN ONTARIO HOSPITAL STATED THAT ITS THERE TO SERVE THE ANGLOPHONE POPULATION?
The french zealots would lose it ,protests, name calling ,questionable violence but ITS FINE THAT THEY HAVE A FRENCH HOSPITAL CATERING TO FRENCH CLIENTELE YET ALL OTHER HOSPITALS MUST BE BILINGUAL.
YES WE ARE DEVELOPING A PARALLEL SYSTEM BUT PERHAPS THAT FRANCOPHONE POPULATION 4% CAN PAY FOR THEIR OWN SERVICES RATHER THEN HAVE THE 96% PAY FOR THIS TYPE OF SEGREGATION OF WHICH THEY WANT.
Yes can you see it french only hospital hiring french ,yet the other hospitals hiring bilingual to serve that 4%.
That and for Ontarian’s to subsidize Quebec patients who get treated in Ontario because simply their health care system is crap and Quebec only pays 75-80% of the costs and Ontarian’s foot the rest of the bill costing us hundreds of millions.
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yorlik wrote: I think it’s important to note that, having one (an opinion that is) does not automatically entail that it is accurate.
Thank-you!! You have been told that a zillion times…….you finally got it!!!!
I respectfully suggest that some of your comments make absolutely no sense. I will gladly defend my position.
You place in quotations “as being actual free choice” but who are you quoting? Choice EDUDYORLIK is a mental process not the actual selection, there is a monumental difference. The following statement is an observation and not a fact ; it appears to have become relatively common place for individuals that do not investigate far enough and/or have a true understanding of the subject matter to climb aboard the conspiracy wagon and ride it for all its worth. You sir are doing just that. You start out suggesting that the electorate only have the illusion of “an accurate choice” (edudyorlik Oct. 13, 2013 11:44 pm) perhaps stated to defend your decision not to necessarily exercise your right to vote and then proclaim that another democratic system where you would be forced to vote meets you approval. Nonsense, you are attempting to consider the act of making a choice and a style of representation in the same breath, the only relationship they have in the context that we are discussing is that they both can be found in a democratic environment.
The taxes that you pay EDUDYORLIK do not place you above an individual on welfare ! You suggest with that opinion that the more taxes an individual pays the more rights he or she should enjoy. That dear sir is not democracy ! While I definitely have a strong opinion on the structure of our socialistic systems such as welfare I personally would have a greater respect for, as you say, ” the person on welfare who votes religiously”. Taxation does not give you a voice unless you have representation and you do not truly have representation unless you exercise you right to vote.
I had absolutely no use for the Bloc Party but I most definitely had great respect for Gilles Duceppe. He stated often his defensive for the existence and rights of his party by using the concept that taxation without representation was tyranny. This of course was the reason for the Boston Tea Party, taxes forced on citizens who had no representation. Enough of history though EDUDYORLIK I would rather challenge you to defend your remarks and debate me for all to view or more appropriately respectfully suggest that you review your own comments better before you hit the “POST COMMENT”. I do endeavor to do this myself although I cannot claim complete success !
As to an opinion EDUDYORLIK, an opinion is not an absolute, being accurate is not a requirement although it could be true that an opinion is misguided. An opinion is quite simply a belief or judgement. Quite different from a fact.
@ STELLABYSTARLIGHT on opinions Oct 14, 2013 8:16 am.
RIGHT ON THE MONEY !
Highlander all the hospitals here in Ottawa are “BILINGUAL” except for the Montfort which is completely French. If a person wants to work as a nurse or any other profession they must be bilingual and that has really been enforced more so recently than ever before. They are following what the federal and provincial governments want them to do. There are many minorities immigrating to Canada and if you consider their second language which is a language other than their own a large portion speak French. We have a lot of people from Africa who are Francophones and from other places like Martinique and elsewhere and French is their language. Those people are not counted like our Canadian people and if you were to take the average of what western language is really spoken French would be a very dominant language. There is a man who works in the park who is from Africa and he cannot speak too much English and we speak French to him and we get along well in that language. The same is true for many groups. The eastern part of Ottawa is very French and they have a hospital that caters to them. Medical terminology is in French rather than in English and I know that because when I worked at the Military Hospital on Alta Vista two of the girls were well versed in the French terminology and worked at the Montfort Hospital before going to the Military Hospital. The doctors and nurses at the Montfort including technologists/technicians, etc. are all French.
Mr. Oldman was right on about the history of the US about not having political representation of the taxes during the Boston Tea Party. Gilles Duceppe was a very good politician and I do not say that about many people no matter what party that they represent. Mr. Duceppe is very intelligent and can debate many people. I find that Mr. Oldman is a very well educated man by the way he writes and I do hope that he gets in either as mayor or on council and would be a very valuable asset whether to Cornwall or any other city or town and those are my honest opinions. Jamie is also a very valuable asset along with Mr. Samler and I hope that these men show the people of Cornwall how good they are for the town.