In 1994, I graduated from St.Lawrence College with Distinction as a Registered Nurse. Over the years, I have worked locally & in the USA specializing in four areas; Critical Care, Operating Room, Post Anesthetic Care Room & Hemo-Dialysis units.
Recently, I resigned from the Cornwall Community Hospital due to the inability to obtain full-time employment or advancement in my career. My obstacle being that I am English only and not bilingual (English and French). There is a systemic problem with unfair language requirements in healthcare in my hometown of Cornwall, ON. This is worrisome to me on several levels. Are the most qualified healthcare professionals being hired? Are people in our community getting the highest quality healthcare they deserve? And finally, what is our government doing to protect the rights of English speakers?
My children are enrolled in French Immersion; but at the end of the day will they be deemed “French” enough to garner a good job? Will they benefit from this social engineering? An RN must speak A- French to work at Cornwall Community Hospital. An RN must be bilingual to work at Community Care Access Centre. When an RN must be bilingual to administer a Flu shot, and yet, at the same time, life-saving CPR training is only considered an asset for employment at the Eastern Ontario Health Unit; I ask, where do we draw the line?
I am thankful to have my New York State Nursing licence. I am currently employed at a hospital in New York State as a Full-time Nursing Supervisor. However, many professionals in our community are not so fortunate and are forced to either relocate or give up their careers, entirely. Sadly, highly educated nursing graduates from St.Lawrence College will never have the opportunity to work in their own community, due to this unfair language legislation.
Recently, a group of concerned citizens formed a non-profit organization; Language Fairness for ALL. Our goal is to promote fair hiring practices. If you are concerned about your future, your childrens’ futures or your grandchildrens’ futures, I urge you to support LFA. Together we can make a difference!
Debbie Cameron RN
Long Sault,ON
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I don’t know if many of you have noticed but with all the Anglos not wanting to learn French the immigrants are taking over your jobs and believe me those who are in the government and work in the hospitals, etc. speak not less than three languages. I have seen some Canadians who really want to learn and those are Anglos that I am talking about and hold no grudges against the French people. Canada was built on two main languages and those were English and French. Did you all know that it was the Norwegians who first discovered North America and not Jacques Cartier nor Christopher Columbus and long before the Norwegians it was the ancient Phoenicians of the Levant where my husband is from. If the Norwegians and the Lebanese insisted they would have all of you speaking Norwegian and Lebanese and those languages are a lot more complicated than learning French. Your battles are crazy and senseless you Anglos and about time that you put that racism aside and start learning other languages and adapting to other cultures. You haven’t seen anything yet and you are fighting each other for nothing. If you knew what I know you would have your battles towards others who are turning Canada, the US and the entire world upside down and has nothing to do with the French people and it is about time that you really got educated and learned what is going on in this world. If you speak other languages then you have gained and if you are not willing to speak other languages then you remain at the bottom. You all have children and grandchildren (a lot of you have) then get them educated in the things that you missed and stop being narrow minded and racist. Crawl out of that horrible mentality that your parents and grandparents gave you and learn to live in the world in a good and civilized manner. The US is demanding Spanish and believe me that is coming more and more within the near future. Be willing to learn new things and accept others equally. Life is changing and not what it used to be and in order to be qualified and have to compete you have to change with the times. The past is the past and gone and not coming back.
David ,
Do you believe we have taxation by representation?
Stella how about we have hospitals in Ontario serve English only ,perhaps if Francophones want their segregated services how about that 4% pay for it rather then the 96% pay for services that discriminate against them?
Folks you want to see Ontario’s future follow what is happening in New Brunswick,segregated services that started from bilingual services .
Why should one populous disproportionately fund the services of the other yet not able to use those servi es.
Yes a class system in Canada ,with segregation ……didn’t the states rid of that a number of years ago and yet we have a made in Canada approach to similar system.
Jules,
“Highlander all the hospitals here in Ottawa are “BILINGUAL” except for the Montfort which is completelyFrench. If a person wants towork as a nurse or any other profession they must be bilingual and that has really been enforced more so recentlythanever before. Theyare following what the federal and provincial governments want them to do”
Question here if as you state all hospitals are bilinguayes it l ,why must there have to be a French only hospital ?
Ottawa remains 13% French.
Why MUST a profession be bilingual ,if that were so why are not those professional agoverning bodies not making within the profession bilingual mandatory and upon certification write bilingual exams?
So the government wants to force people to do this Social Engineering ,this is what you are implying here Jules.
highlander wrote: Stella how about we have hospitals in Ontario serve English only ,perhaps if Francophones want their segregated services how about that 4% pay for it rather then the 96% pay for services that discriminate against them?
Francophones DO NOT WANT SEGREGATED SERVICES. All we are asking for is that unilingual French who pay taxes like everybody else have the right to be understood in their mother tongue. As for unilingual English people, they have no problem getting served or getting by. Like you guys so often say your are the majority and the English language is understood by most.
English never face that dilemma, Why do you begrudge a French person the same right to be understood or served in their language? If that is a problem for you guys, then you are a very sad and pathetic bunch indeed.
As for blaming the French for losing out on job opportunities, let me say this. It is happening in all areas of employment. Ask young women coming out of university and teachers college who are FRENCH how easy it is for them to find FULL TIME WORK. Ask young woman if they changed their career after not finding FULL TIME WORK in the field they studied. Ask young women if they had to move out of the province in order to find FULL TIME WORK…………my niece had to.
Does it have anything to do with knowing or not knowing the French language….ABSOLUTELY NOT. To blame French laws for your demise is unfair and totally absurd to say the least.
One country……two official languages.
Jules ,
Now you blame Anglos for RASCISM?
This is about RIGHTS equal RIGHTS and government discrimination ,oh by the way Canadian Gaelic was also one of Canada’s founding languages ….don’t give me your sh** about founding languages what of the native languages who founded the country as well.
The sh** that you write is rather amazing crap and simply the looooooong drawn out stories have put many to sleep when there is no punchline.
I take Insult on you calling anglo’s fascist …..40 years now francophones have have used the bigot /rascist card everytime another speaks up against this inequality.
We anglo’s do have rights even though you francophones do not think so.
You really want to see rascist biggoted people look east of the Ottawa river.
At least the rest of Canada does not nearly outlaw other religious garb and our other official language …you know that dreaded English language.
Jules stop tapping the keys your senseless ranting which is VERY RACIST AND BIGGOTED.
YOU MUST ACCEPT YOU HAVE THAT PROBLEM AND ADDRESS IT.
I will take your age and mental issues in consideration but Jules as you ask yourself this Is it fair to conform a majority to a minorities wants yet negatively impact that majority?
I will never say no French ,but I would believe in a fair approach and the present situation with regards to minority language services of which you agree with is not anywhere near fair in fact its approach by government is discriminatory in nature.
stellabystarlight,
” Francophones DO NOT WANT SEGREGATED SERVICES. All we are asking for is that unilingual French who pay taxes like everybody else have the right tobe understood in their mother tongue.”
So then why have French hospitals and clinics when there is ample bilingual services if french do not want segregation?
” As for blaming the French for losing out onjob opportunities,”
I am not blaming French people,It the government that’s the issue with French activists pushing for more language rights which is completely disproportionate of the needs thereby discriminating against others with these language laws and its enforcement.
Hense I have always advocated not in French removal but in representation by population,which in a true just democratic society should prevail.
(PART 1)
@David Oldham RE: POST on October 14, 2013 at 8:57 am
David wrote, “I respectfully suggest that some of your comments make absolutely no sense.”
Oddly DAVID OLDHAM, I was thinking the exact same thing about how “some of YOUR — comments MAKE NO SENSE.”
And speaking of “respect.” You also keep misquoting me which is rather annoying and quite disrespectful.
“Choice EDUDYORLIK is a mental process not the actual selection,”
Choice is a mental process??
OK… Perhaps the first step in “making a choice” is indeed a mental process but, it seems a tad bit silly to break it down to — the synapses — involved which is nothing but an attempt to make it seem as though what i said was inaccurate. Taken to THAT degree —
EVERYTHING — is indeed
“a mental process.”
Not sure what your point is except, — to try — to make it appear as if you are somehow superior.
Which — may – deceive some but, I would NOT count myself in that deceived category.
David wrote, “You start out suggesting that the electorate only have the illusion of “an accurate choice” (edudyorlik Oct. 13, 2013 11:44 pm)”
This may have been a type-o on your part DAVID OLDHAM, and I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that but, if it was not a type-o then, it appears you have misquoted me and thus changed the intent and context of what I said which in turn, seems to more readily suite your rebuttal.
FACT IS… I NEVER SAID or suggested the electorate had the illusion of “an accurate choice.”
What I did say is, the electorate is given the illusion that they are — actually making a choice —
There is HUGE a difference.
So in light of the misquote… NO, it was not stated
— to defend my decision “not to necessarily exercise my right to vote” at all. —
And, as you see, after correcting your misquote, your proclamation simply does not make sense.
My so called “decision not to exercise my right to vote” – NOT THAT I HAVE TO ANSWER to you or anyone else regarding this decision – put simply, has to do with the idea that, the choices which are presented to me DO NOT make up the plethora of — REAL CHOICES – that I / we deserve as voters and I / we all should actually have as voters as well.
Something that IS more generously offered in the proportional representation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation) Australian system which I said I preferred and would readily take part in.
What we are presented with here in our system are simply — the “pre-defined” set of choices that are pre-selected as to what we ultimately receive as — what is BEING OFFERED —
Furthermore, that “pre-set” group that we are offered as choice is often pre-selected — for us — on the basis of, power, money and likely MOSTLY what is in the best interests of “the powers that be” over the little guy.
Like I said before, it’s like the Carney at the exhibition taking your 5 dollar bill and then ONLY offering you a set of 3 choices from the 50 that he has available in his booth. Sure, you are given the false sense that you are making a “real” choice but, in reality you are — only — choosing from the limited pool that is presented to you. And between you and I DAVID OLDHAM, it is pretty clear that that what is presented to you as a choice is often much less worthy than what you deserve for your 5 dollars or, for that matter, often less worthy of what you deserve as far as
The person who ends up representing you / us — the voting public —
Besides, I am not the one trying to convince you (as you are me) that you have to do things my way. If you are comfortable with your perceived “real” choice DAVID OLDHAM then go nuts. It’s your prerogative. Stick with it pal and leave me to my choice.
Beyond that, whether I choose to vote or not has ZERO bearing on — my right– as a tax paying citizen to have a voice in my community, in my city or in my country for that matter.
NO ONE (not even YOU DAVID OLDHAM) will EVER take that away from me. No matter what YOUR opinion is on this topic.
(PART 2) David wrote, “another democratic system where you would be forced to vote meets you approval.”
I only “proclaim” the Australian proportional representation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation) system “meets my approval” In the sense that it is a better type of system that not only — more accurately — reflects the electorate (I cannot honestly see how you could realistically argue this point) but also provides it’s electorate with something closer to a “real” choice and MUCH improved representation.
David Oldham misquoted me yet again when he wrote, “The taxes that you pay EDUDYORLIK do not place you above an individual on welfare.”
I NEVER SAID it “placed me above an individual on welfare” DAVID OLDHAM. What I said was,
“The taxes i pay
— GIVE ME JUST AS MUCH RIGHT to be heard as ANYONE — ”
In other words, as a home owner and resident paying taxes for years but not necessarily voting, I believe I do have “more right to be heard” regarding a proposal for a center to be built in my neighborhood at tax payers expense than someone living on welfare for years but voting religiously.
And lastly DAVID OLDHAM. My main reason for being here in this forum has to do with the unfairness and inequity that exists because of corrupt system which has a lot to do with a dream that Mr. P.E. Trudeau had which was to ultimately hand this country over to the French fact. Or, as he so poignantly put it when he directly told the French powers that be …
“Be master in your own house, but let that house be ALL OF CANADA.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve3SFQmf5B8&hd=1
In closing. To be honest DAVID OLDHAM, I have LITTLE to NO interest AT ALL in debating you or anyone else about the merits of voting or not voting, and I tell you NOW that I will likely not entertain this topic any further as I really could care less about your opinions on this topic.
My focus here in this forum is to bring to light the CR@P that is happening and has been happening for years now in this country at the hands of the French powers that be.
My focus is to expose how the French powers that be are (and have been for years now) taking advantage the English and a “system” that was originally intended to be accommodating (to a certain degree) to the French powers that be in order to produce a situation where we could all be happy — together. –
And though I was one of the first ones back in the day to push for ways to make this union work, I have now come to realize and accept that the French powers that be DO NOT have the same vision as to what “making this union work” involves, compared to the English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVaN0-vfGKU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPk2sijbgs&hd=1
http://youtu.be/MhPcV0gtFR0?t=49s
The FACT is, the British fought and died in the process of defeating France for the right “to be the true masters of this house” but the French have NEVER digested that defeat (Je me souviens) and they are hell bent on re-writing history with them as the new dominant, controlling factor running the show in this country.
AND THAT DAVID OLDHAM
— IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to me. Nor is it acceptable to MANY other proud Canadians.
Frankly, this SHOULD NOT be acceptable to any fair minded person who witnessed how the French powers that be have taken advantage of the English who have done nothing but tried to be fair, nice and accommodating over the last several decades.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReyBSA1N8Wk&hd=1
And, for the record. Siding with, and or — propping up — certain opinions and comments by “certain types” in this forum who have, time and time again proven themselves to be “flaky at best” takes away from your integrity and brings into question whether you can be taken seriously.
You know, lay down with dogs and you’re likely to wake up with fleas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxag3tVJg3A&hd=1
stellabystarlight says “Francophones DO NOT WANT SEGREGATED SERVICES. All we are asking for is that unilingual French who pay taxes like everybody else have the right to be understood in their mother tongue. As for unilingual English people, they have no problem getting served or getting by. Like you guys so often say your are the majority and the English language is understood by most.
English never face that dilemma, Why do you begrudge a French person the same right to be understood or served in their language? If that is a problem for you guys, then you are a very sad and pathetic bunch indeed.”
Oh my goodness stella, is that all this bilingualism conversion is about? I doubt that, but we can easily put up bilingual signs everywhere and have one counter person available to help the very few French only speakers (and very few “bilingual” who need it) . Please contact your Council, MPP and MP to make this happen so we can get back to getting along!
Jules said “I don’t know if many of you have noticed but with all the Anglos not wanting to learn French the immigrants are taking over your jobs and believe me those who are in the government and work in the hospitals, etc”
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Jules, you don’t think this is what is going on? Take a look at the job ads, there are white male Canadians too, but let’s just discriminate against them, maybe they can marry rich!!!!
The ??? is committed to building a skilled, diverse workforce reflective of Canadian society. As a result, it promotes employment equity and encourages candidates to indicate voluntarily in their application if they are a woman, an Aboriginal person, a person with a disability or a member of a visible minority group.
ON October 14, 2013 at 1:06 pm Highlander wrote,
“Jules ,
Now you blame Anglos for RASCISM?
This is about RIGHTS equal RIGHTS and government discrimination ,oh by the way Canadian Gaelic was also one of Canada’s founding languages ….don’t give me your sh** about founding languages what of the native languages who founded the country as well.
The sh** that you write is rather amazing crap and simply the looooooong drawn out stories have put many to sleep when there is no punchline.
I take Insult on you calling anglo’s fascist …..40 years now francophones have have used the bigot /rascist card everytime another speaks up against this inequality.
We anglo’s do have rights even though you francophones do not think so.
You really want to see rascist biggoted people look east of the Ottawa river.
At least the rest of Canada does not nearly outlaw other religious garb and our other official language …you know that dreaded English language.”
WELL SAID HIGHLANDER. WELL SAID…
Eric when I was in the government to fill out more papers back in the mid 70’s we were asked those same questions back then and many people were fed up and some didn’t answer them and took the papers and squashed them and threw them in the garbage. We have a friend here in Ottawa who has a brother who applied back in the early 80’s and did just that and he was a graduate of Algonquin College then in accounting. He felt very insulted to see those same questions asked.
@ EDUDYORLIK my sincere apology for the typo, “an accurate choice” should have read “an actual choice”. The comment was based on your actual wording so the context was not affected by the typo. You seem rather sensitive and unable to objectively respond so I will not belabour the issue you are creating. You apparently have some analytical issues and obviously from responses to your going on and on I am not the first to be aware of this problem. You are extremely selective, for example you deny that you took a cheap shot at individuals on welfare by using only part of your statement “give me just as much right….” it was the next sentence following that I referred to EDUDYORLIK. HOLY SMOKE I was not attacking you. I misjudged your cognitive ability and agree debate is simply not possible even if wanted. You did not grasp the simple concepts that were offered for your consideration.
One last time, your vote is your voice if you do not use your voice then you have no audience. Since you elect not to vote, for WHATEVER reason EDUDYORLIK, you gave up you right to be heard. You did not fulfill your duty as a democratic citizen. You may not like this opinion but as it turns out it is not mine, although I do agree with it. The opinion actually belongs to a Catholic priest, historian, teacher and holder of four university degrees who has traveled the world extensively.
Enjoy the silence EDUDYORLIK I will not disturb you in the future, you have no voice.
@ David. You are attempting to have a rational debate (conservation) with Kilroy?!
Have fun with that.
(conversation)
Part A
ON October 15, 2013 at 7:29 pm David Oldham wrote, “@ EDUDYORLIK my sincere apology for the typo, “an accurate choice” should have read “an actual choice”. The comment was based on your actual wording so the context was not affected by the typo. You seem rather sensitive and unable to objectively respond so I will not belabour the issue you are creating.”
“the issue I am creating?”
An interesting tactic you employ DAVID OLDHAM.
An apology, then a written Jab, then a written retreat. Clever and slightly unusual, but not unique.
You have to admit I had no way to KNOW for sure if it was a type-o or not, and thus, by extension, no way to know if your response was based on that criteria so I figured I would mention it (something that most people would not even have conceived of, let alone given you benefit for) then go ahead and respond as if it was not a type-o just in case.
Excuse me if my chosen “tactic” did not suite you.
DAVID OLDHAM wrote, “You apparently have some analytical issues and obviously from responses to your going on and on I am not the first to be aware of this problem.”
AND…
DAVID OLDHAM wrote, “you seem sensitive and unable to objectively reply”
Thank you for the psycho analysis and subsequent jab at my style and personality DAVID OLDHAM. I guess there is no room in that analysis of yours for your own delivery to have been the root of the problem is there? Naw, not likely eh? Too self absorbed for that.
Am I to understand that you are a shrink and that I was in need of your expertise? How much do I owe you?
Frankly, the so called “analytical issues” (as you so kindly put it) that you claim I have is something I myself had mentioned in a self critical moment some time ago. But, that’s fine. I have learned to accept it and to chalk it up as just — MY OWN UNIQUE PERSONAL STYLE — Which btw, I am growing more and more fond of as time passes. Perhaps a window into how those like Salvidor Dali
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7c/DisintegrationofPersistence.jpg/300px-DisintegrationofPersistence.jpg
may have felt and may have been criticized for in HIS the early works also 🙂
PART B) DAVID OLDHAM wrote, you are extremely selective.”
(imagine how much longer this would be if i wasn’t 😉
EXTREMELY SELECTIVE? Oh, I get it. More psycho analysis. Not sure if I am fond of having someone that really doesn’t know me take such liberties but, what they heck. If it pleases you. Carry on.
However, I MUST SAY. You’re not that good at your task as It would appear that “YOUR” faulty “analytical issues” are showing through again DAVID OLDHAM as, once again, I find that I must defend myself and make it clear THAT I DID NOT “take a cheap shot at individuals on welfare” at all. –
Your opinion only, and VERY “misguided” at that :-).
Oh, and also, I DID NOT “ONLY use part of your statement” either.
Both parts are there. I simply broke up your statement in such a way so as to more clearly illustrate what I was really saying was NOT what YOU tried to claim I was saying.
—————
IE: “— I NEVER SAID it “placed me above an individual on welfare” DAVID OLDHAM. What I said was,
“The taxes i pay
– GIVE ME JUST AS MUCH RIGHT to be heard as ANYONE — ”
(and here’s the part I broke up where I mention that I believe I have MORE RIGHT and not as you are trying to claim that “I am above ANYONE.”
“In other words, as a home owner and resident paying taxes for years but not necessarily voting, I believe I do have “more right to be heard” regarding a proposal for a center to be built in my area etc etc etc.”
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DAVID OLDHAM wrote, “One last time, your vote is your voice if you do not use your voice then you have no audience.”
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THIS opinion / philosophy (whatever you call it) and I must sadly inform you DAVID OLDHAM that,
— you need to realize that just because you received this golden nugget of — SO CALLED WISDOM — from some Catholic priest, THAT DOES NOT make it (pardon the pun) GOSPEL. Nor does it make it the be all and end all — ONLY way — to look at such things – There are varying opinions on what gives people a voice in their community.
Voting MAY VERY WELL BE a corner stone of that but just like many things, though it started out with pure intent it has been severely corrupted over the years and does not represent the same NOW as it did when it was conceived.
SO, contrary to YOUR cast opinion. NO, I HAVE NOT given up my “right to be to be heard” In the least.
The hard earned tax dollars that I inject into this god forsaken system which in turn builds schools and roads and allows politicians to get voted in by the DAVID OLDHAMS of this world ARE MY TICKET to “fulfilling my duty as a citizen” and thus,
I HAVE VOICE and I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE HEARD.
Thank you… Elvis has left the building… 😉
Post this or not Admin but I’m curious, does this new poster David Oldham have the same IP as another poster who was full of hot air and bluster as well? I could be mistaken, but my spidey senses are tingling, and the smell of bs is getting awfully strong.
Eric when I worked in the federal government there were places where people who were disabled worked and a lot of them were on wheelchairs. I worked with people who had diabetes and other ailments. We had people who were part native (Indian) and some full Indians. I worked with some who were part native and one girl was from Northern Ontario. I have worked with people who were from France, England, Hungary, India, Egypt and many other countries around the world and never saw discrimination. This morning on our walk my husband and I were talking about Cornwall and hiring only people who speak fluent French at an advanced level and he agreed that it should be like that. You cannot hire someone who could just say “bonjour” and a few odd words like that. The thing is that French was always in demand in Cornwall and maybe some people just didn’t see it but it was always there. Today it is in the greatest demand ever and it will go across country eventually. You are lucky that they are not asking you to speak the Chinese dialects so far.
Because your husband said it Jules, a bunch of us must be wrong and should accept 2nd or 3rd class status. All because of government forced and enforced language laws and a very few pushers.
Chinese would make more sense as a second language, but they are learning English!
Jules wrote, “blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah,
and I blah blah blah, and I also blah blah blah, and then I
blah blah blah and then my husband blah blah blah,
and of course my sister had to blah blah blah …”
Just sayin…
ON October 14, 2013 at 1:03 pm stellabystarlight spewed…
“One country……two official languages.”
YUP… You nailed it Stella.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9A7dUNP2tZQ/Ul7aV3NwZEI/AAAAAAAAA1o/IOHfko7eNnE/w1158-h785-no/Canada+-+Two+official+languages.png
French should be of equal size edudyorlik…..LOL
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9A7dUNP2tZQ/Ul7aV3NwZEI/AAAAAAAAA1o/IOHfko7eNnE/w1158-h785-no/Canada+-+Two+official+languages.png
LOL yes ha ha, that’s right Eric.
For those who G-A-S
Mais oui…
Mon dieux
Well……well…..well!!! Another poster has nailed it and very accurately I must add. It didn’t take long for David to see through the one who rants, fabricates, distorts and goes on personal attack mode when someone doesn’t agree with him.
Like Furtz said……have fun trying to have a rational debate with that one. Waste of time and energy.
@yorlik
Everything that irritates you about others
Can lead you to a better understanding of yourself.
stella
” It didn’t take long for David to see through the one who rants, fabricates, distorts and goes on personal attack mode when someone doesn’t agree with him.”
Yes stella yes your right I cant believe i am saying this …..oh wait a minute you were talking about yourself stella were you not?
GET YOUR WHITE SHEETS AND CROSSES STELLA
STELLBYSTARLIGHT and HIGHLANDER, FURTZ was right and I just had to play the doubting fool and find out for myself. Mission completed. I was a fool. Wasn’t the first time anyways !
Funny how certain members of the “agitator gang” tend to twist a persons defensive actions into attacking actions.
I guess this is a learned behavior from childhood.
You know, like how they accuse those trying to defend themselves in the province f Quebec against the anti English bill 101.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiQhi5vJyPI
Jules I am going to ask you again. How do you suppose we all become fluently bilingual to work in Cornwall, if, as you have said many times, that the only way your daughter was going to learn French was to be educated in the French school system and that you had to have another family member convince the French School Board to take her in. Now keep in mind, your daughter would have been surrounded by French family before even attending school at all. I don’t have French family Jules. How Jules, How?
ON October 16, 2013 at 5:20 pm David Oldham wrote, “STELLBYSTARLIGHT and HIGHLANDER, FURTZ was right and I just had to play the doubting fool and find out for myself. Mission completed. I was a fool. Wasn’t the first time anyways !”
Not sure if this is worth my time but… What the heck.
@ David OLDHAM.
You challenge me to debate then not only do you not observe — and or comment on — any of the points I made which could have allowed me to elaborate my side of the claim but, you kill the debate claiming me as the problem.
DONE, right? Should be, but no… NOT Quite…
In a rather snide way YOU THEN TURN AROUND and take a indirect cheap shot-poke at me while siding with the likes of Stella not so bright (a person btw who DOES NOT CARE about the plight of her fellow Canadians in the province of Quebec, uses double speak like there is no tomorrow and believes up is down and black is white). She is also a person who spews such golden nugget claims like — the English people in Quebec are among some of the best treated minorities anywhere.
Erroneously claimed students in Quebec pay the highest tuition in all North America.
AND ALSO “TRIES”
To insinuate that those of us,
who are NOW WAKING up —
and wanting to STOP the incessant detrimental push for Fructification in the rest of Canada, and who realize that Quebec and the French are taking FULL advantage of ALL THE ROCanada (have been for years), and are realizing that nothing will please the French and there is no way this “marriage” can work and thus we call for separation as a defensive move
— are the ones “trying to break up this country” as if this is — “a plan based on nothing but wanting to break this country up” — AND NOT EXACTLY what it is.. A DEFENSIVE (probably — THE ONLY — ) defensive tact or solution that, under the circumstances, allows the French to — sort of — have what they ABSOLUTELY want (an all “pure laine” French AREA / LAND) while the English can still maintain the British land they fought for and won and can be able to function in without being FORCED to learn French just to be able to attain gainful employment in their own land and also to run to be the leaders of their own BRITISH established democratic government.
— Not to mention how she completely pays no mind to the FACT that it is — and ACTUALLY HAS BEEN — the French that HAVE BEEN THE ONLY ONES to date who have ever tried to break up this country.
Like I said DAVID OLDHAM. When you lay down with dogs your likely to wake up with fleas so, as far as I am concerned, i have MANY valid points regarding the debate about voting or not voting and what constitutes a persons right to have a say etc… But, your credibility has taken a dive and that would not be worth my while.
PS
I would have said nothing had it not been for — your — “cheep shot.”
Oh AND BTW, I highly doubt that Highlander is comfortable being included with Stella among those on “your side” in your address claiming “Furtz was right” blah blah blah… A WRONG position which is likely to do with being too self absorbed and, as a result — misunderstanding and misinterpreting what was actually written or said — which DAVID OLDHAM, you seem to do QUITE A BIT.
However, I am sure Highlander can speak for himself.
@ Jules
If you KNOW your History as you claim , then you would also know that after BILLIONS have been spent on bilingualism, only 16.3% of Canadians are bilingual. Of that number a full 95% come from quebec.
This is hardly an endorsement for bilingualism in Canada. There is NO NEED OR DESIRE for Canadians to be bilingual ,it is that simple.
The concept of bilingualism ,was and is, a product of the federal governments, particularly of the past, that has FORCED CANADA to embrace a bilingualism THEY DO NOT WANT>
Ever been to Mississauga, Toronto, Trenton, Vancouver, Calgary. How much french is spoken or seen there, sir?? How about Saskatchewan, or Brampton. What about St John’s NFLD
Canada is NOT just eastern Ontario and quebec.
Oh, and BTW, if you are so concerned about bilingualism in Canada, a place you imply is better off being bilingual, how come quebec is NOT BILINGUAL and OUTLAWS ONE OF OUR FOUNDING Languages???
It is you sir, that believes in this racism you allude to, as proved by your support of the laws of quebec, because to my knowledge you said nothing here to dispel their racist laws of bill 101 and the like
GQO wrote: There is NO NEED OR DESIRE for Canadians to be bilingual ,it is that simple.
It is that type of mentality that put the English where they are today, on the outside looking in.
You refuse……..you lose! It is that simple.
@ GQO. Jules is not a “sir”.
@ Kilroy. Tell us again about the defective gene that the Francophone population has.
Opps, that obviously should have read
who are NOW WAKING up –
and wanting to STOP the incessant detrimental push for Frenchification…
David ,
My remarks to Stella was meant as a sly mark towards Stella.
It is not often that I agree with this stella person as I do not agree with her racists remarks and trust me there has been many over these near three years.
Nor do I agree with her antagonist remarks AS WE STAND FOR EQUALITY,if there is anyone who should be questioned on morality it would be her ,she has admitted she doesn’t like other cultures and feels uncomfortable with them and judging by her comments that would be English people as well.
Our members of our group and including myself have always advocated for equality of all persons ,I do not take insult in grouping me with that stella thing .
But had you met me and as well read the many derogatory statements from stella and my correction on her comments that border on racism you would perhaps realized there is very little we have in common.
GQO
Well said ,what ever happened to “where numbers warrant”?
As I got involved in this earlier on I was told by some what the government was doing was Social Engineering ,my approach has always been weighing the differences and informing myself with research and not be judgmental ,thus i disagreed with that statement.
As I informed myself by researching various points of views (THOUSANDS)through articles, government data ,statistical data and remaining unbiased I have learned that I was wrong and all the evidence pointed to GOVERNMENT SOCIAL ENGINEERING .
BUT THEN AGAIN MOST SOCIETIES THAT HAVE A FORM OF SOCIALISM DO PRACTICE SOCIAL ENGINEERING AND THUS WE HAVE A MADE IN CANADA APPROACH TO IT …..LANGUAGE APARTHEID HAS BECOME NORMALCY IN OUR SOCIETY AND THEREBY THOSE LIVING UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS SEEM LESS TO RECOGNIZE THIS.
But internationally other countries have recognized this and have called it LANGUAGE APARTHEID.
If governments were to apply hiring by representation by population like a fair democracy then we would not be here advocating for fair hiring practices,it really is that simple.
In a country like Canada where the population base, according to 2011 statics Canada —
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5KXSEWnjy5c/UhJOFehykSI/AAAAAAAAAus/s1HQ1VxRh2w/w702-h365-no/Population+-+Language+stats+2011.png
— is predominantly English and thus it MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL that Debbie Cameron has to, as a result of a bilingualism policy that by MOST fair minded peoples account is simply the epitome of ridiculous, go to the U.S. to be gainfully employed in her field of expertise .
Add to this ridiculously flawed and failed policy a push by the French powers that be towards a their ultimate goal of having their own little FRENCH ONLY “independent country” AND images of the ruling powers in the “province” of Quebec going around saying things like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InMfQuYwZls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JaKTF5Eu3g
and it seems pretty clear WHAT “THEY” (the French powers that be) ultimately want and don’t want. They are quite straight forward about things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpJbxjT564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hKXw24la-8
So, if we expand on those 2011 stats we see that the number of French ONLY speaking folks IN ALL the rest of CANADA outside the province of Quebec — a province where the numbers are skewed and engineered — we see that MAYBE 2 to 4 percent of the Canadian population is French ONLY
THUS, it COMPLETELY MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL to hammer a square plug into a round hole, and desperately FORCE the 96 percent (plus) NON French Canadian citizens outside of the province of Quebec into learning and using the French language yet, that is EXACTLY what we seem to be doing.
WHY?
WHY, in a country (excluding the province of Quebec, a province that, as i pointed out above, has it’s own NON ENGLISH language and culture agenda) should the should our governments federal web sites begin with French first?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxHI4-ZLpxs
WHY, in a country (excluding the province of Quebec that, as i pointed out above, has it’s own NON ENGLISH language and culture agenda) that is 96 percent (plus) non French should the English majority be struggling to get jobs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_BgxHZVFI
WHY, in a country (excluding the province of Quebec that, as i pointed out above, has it’s own NON ENGLISH agenda) should advancement of all levels in our own military be restricted to ONLY those who know the language of a minority 2-4% of the population?
WHY, in a country (excluding the province of Quebec that, as i pointed out above, has it’s own NON ENGLISH language and culture language and culture agenda) should the MAJORITY unilingual anglophones population be restricted from aspiring to be the Prime Minister or leader of the official opposition of their own Anglophone majority country.
NONE of this MAKES SENSE. The numbers JUST DO NOT WARRANT what is going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui_XgfFceYc
EVEN IF — (for those whiners out there) we are VERY GENEROUS (something we WOULD NOT SEE FROM THEIR SIDE) and add in the numbers of the province of Quebec and included those who know French and English (something again, the French powers that be are quick — NOT TO DO — when deciding the numbers for their French ONLY policies) into the equation we STILL come up with ONLY MAYBE 17.5% which again the question IS WHY. WHY are we forcing the 82.5% anglophones to learn French? And why are we allowing something like federal web sites that are supposed to represent the majority of a country to be French dominant and prominent ? NONE of this makes ANY SENSE AT ALL.
THEN, if ALL OF THIS was not enough to DRIVE THE freakin POINT HOME. Take a moment to remember and think about — THE FACT — that FRANCE LOST and Canada became a British land. Our parliament is supposed to be modeled after the British parliament. There has been an obvious cleansing of that throughout the years. From the flag, to the anthem to a huge list of other things… I know it’s nice to be humble in victory but geezus… How far is ANYONE expected to go with that concept?
@ Debbie
I am sorry to hear of your leaving, especially in light of the fact, that CCH has placed language over CARE
Although I do not live in the area, I would not give one penny to that institution or any other that supports a bilingual policy. I tell everyone far and wide of how bilingualism in Canada is destroying the English just as it has in quebec.
My take, is that if quebec leaves so too does bilingualism.
However, its the English themselves that must NEVER GIVE UP OR QUIT, especially in the face of people like Jules, frutz stella, trembly, and hftt.
These are the people who advocate racism in their support for laws like bill 101 and the like. They also advocate for FORCED bilingualism, where bilingualism IS NOT WANTED OR NEEDED.
In any event, it is Cornwall’s loss and the state of New York’s gain. Again, why is bilingualism good??
How does it benefit a Debbie Cameron??? How does your leaving assist in helping the patients of Cornwall??? Where is the benefit here??
Does your so called bilingual replacement have the experience and training that you had Debbie???
If not, why does CCH have a policy of hiring incompetents ?????
Get rid of quebec, then bilingualism
First off, I am wondering if hftt has disappeared because he is busy investigating CCH discriminatory hiring policies…
Secondly, has anyone noticed in Cornwall & area even our school system has become segregated too. Funny how we have French only schools & all other schools are now bilingual. So, teachers too are facing the same discriminatory hiring policies as healthcare. Does the FLSA include schools too???
@ frutz
Thank you for pointing out that jules is not a sir, in any event my point was made.
@ stella,
Keep in mind the English compromise 29 million strong in Canada, and they reside in areas far beyond eastern Ontario and quebec. The English, ever so slowly are in fact becoming aware of what is happening and are ever so deliberately assessing evaluating what is happening to their language in Canada.
Do not be fooled by the fact that you may think this awareness is only confined to this geographic area.
All across Canada , thanks to the net and other social media outlets the word is spreading. Don’t think that P.M Harper’s referral to quebec as a “nation” was an accident.
In the next quebec referendum, I will ,as well as others take up residence in quebec just to vote OUI, and hope quebec gets out.
Believe me stella, there is afoot many a movement , other than the P.Q. that wants quebec out.
.
ON October 17, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Furtz wrote, “@ Kilroy. Tell us again about the defective gene that the Francophone population has.“
Actually Furtz, i was hoping you could give us your thoughts about how this kind polite Canadian lady was treated in the province of Quebec, (her own country) by a public servant bus driver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUkNVjM4Gc
And how it is that this womans father could not father could not get work in Ottawa Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_BgxHZVFI`
or why it is that Marois is going around calling the province of Quebec – a country – and why the rest of Canada should be sending money to that place as if it is a province.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InMfQuYwZls
yup CCH is hiring now bilingual; at 50%+ to serve that 500 people who speak french only ,and I know only 21% bilingual population ,so why hire so disproportional to Cornwall’s population?
Well Debbie ,yes you were discriminated ,but think of the opportunity to work in an ACTUAL DEMOCRACY and not this pseudo one we have here .
CANADA WHERE LANGUAGE APARTHEID RULES!
BACK OF THE BUS YOU ENGLISH ,YOU KNOW YOUR CLASS RESIDES THERE-YOU HAVE ALLOWED YOURSELVES THIS SUBJUGATION(YOUR CHOICE).
Then try to figure out why your children and grandchildren have to leave …..LANGUAGE APARTHEID,BY DOING NOTHING ONLY ENCOURAGES THEM TO LEAVE.
edudyorlik wrote;
WHY, in a country (excluding the province of Quebec that, as i pointed out above, has it’s own NON ENGLISH language and culture agenda) that is 96 percent (plus) non French should the English majority be struggling to get jobs?
It is really simple after you have done extensive research its SOCIAL ENGINEERING …why must all Canadian’s be bilingual (french) to have opportunities when they are 96% of the population -THEY CALL THAT WHERE “NUMBERS WARRANT “……NO SOCIAL ENGINEERING!
REMEMBER OTHER COUNTRIES CALL IT LANGUAGE APARTHEID.
@ GQO. I hate to break it to you, but Quebec won’t be booted from Confederation just because you and a few Anglo freedom-fighters think it should be. By all means, dream on if it keeps you amused, but don’t expect to be taken seriously. You and your little group aren’t about to change the course of Canadian history. Sorry.
Carry on.
Aww c’mon Furtzie.
You seem so adept at taking pokes and jabs at people. One would figure you could at least come up with some answers as to what is going on. Go ahead, tell us all how it makes you feel to see your fellow English / Anglo Canadians being treated like SH!T in their own country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUkNVjM4Gc
Don`t you have any pride? Don`t you care about your culture and your fellow English Canadian brethren ?
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@Highlander RE: POST on October 17, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Highlander wrote, “It is really simple after you have done extensive research its SOCIAL ENGINEERING …why must all Canadian’s be bilingual (french) to have opportunities when they are 96% of the population -THEY CALL THAT WHERE “NUMBERS WARRANT “……NO SOCIAL ENGINEERING!
REMEMBER OTHER COUNTRIES CALL IT LANGUAGE APARTHEID.”
I sat thinking about what you wrote then added it
to what concerned citizen 2 wrote on October 17, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Concerned citizen wrote, “has anyone noticed in Cornwall & area even our school system has become segregated too. Funny how we have French only schools & all other schools are now bilingual. So, teachers too are facing the same discriminatory hiring policies as healthcare. Does the FLSA include schools too???”
and thought about the following things
things like,
Debbie Cameron and MANY others not being able to work because of a tiny French minority
People being treated like crap in their own English dominant COUNTRY
Marois and the French powers that be treating the province of Quebec as if it is it’s own separate country while still taking money from the ROCanada as if t is a province.
The nice polite kind lady in the video asking the bus driver for help and being treated like crap. (you have seen it)
The whole sense of entitlement that oozes from he French powers that be and that province.
The idea that the Canada’s so called “other official langue” IN THE PROVINCE OF QUEBEC is not only outlawed in that province but is also treated with a high degree of disdain and disrespect
The French powers that be demanding French ONLY in the province of Quebec but then also pushing their weight around with French first, French dominant and French only — OUTSIDE — the province of Quebec also. French only health care clinics etc… etc etc.. .
Then i thought… imagine If one used their imagination for a moment and applied all the cr@p i listed above and painted the picture of say, a personal situation where you invited 12 people over to your home and four of those people was representative of the French minority in Canada and they acted in the ways i mentioned in the examples above and dominated the house and ordered your remaining 8 English guests around, and laughed in their face, took all the places to sit for themselves, and carved out a portion of the house and demanded that no one could enter that room without speaking French and so on and so on… I am sure we can all use our imaginations to apply the scenarios accordingly.
Imagine also you trying to be polite and trying to be inclusive and trying to calmly work things out but to no avail. PLUS it seemed that every time you tried to work things out in a nice way` the group of four only got bolder and bolder and pushed for more and more while at the same time eating all the snacks etc.
At this point does it seem NORMAL to continue to be looking for equality? Does it seem NORMAL to be trying to look for fairness? And with this one small group clearly demonstrating how they take advantage of every opportunity where you and the larger group are trying to find polite nice ways to deal with things in a fair way.
Doesn’t it seem that at some point that one has to step back and realize they are being taken advantage of and the idea of continuing to try the route of looking for a nice and polite way to deal with things is no longer effective?
And all attempts at fairness and equity are only
allowing the other to gain more and more of the upper ground?
Highlander, there are some higher centers of learning designated as French and mostly Community or Health services SO FAR. It is interesting to go through the list of they say 222 designated agencies, but the number is 211. Some of the local sites even list designated positions.
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_930398_e.htm
This all fly’s under the radar and is incremental, kind of like taking a bite out of chocolate bar every day. Within a short while you are left with the wrapper.
@ Kilroy, GQO, and all (twelve) freedom fighters. Where is the grand movement of Anglo Canadians demanding the expulsion of Quebec from Canada? We regularly see people demonstrating for women’s rights, Aboriginal rights, against pipelines, fracking, abortion and any number of causes. I’ve yet to hear about Anglophones demonstrating for the break up of Canada. Apart from a few disgruntled letter writers and commenters on this site, and a couple of rinky-dink sites like LFA, there seems to be next to no support for this silliness. Am I missing something?
@highlander………The holy roller himself wrote:
It is not often that I agree with this stella person as I do not agree with her racists remarks and trust me there has been many over these near three years.
You must be kidding!!! You of all people calling me a racists…….now that is funny. You have changed your tactics only recently to pass for a nice guy because you were finding out that your belligerent attitude was not helping your radical cause. Give us all a break…….
again highlander wrote: she doesn’t like other cultures and feels uncomfortable with them and judging by her comments that would be English people as well. All I can say to that is LIAR.
When one is alone in NYC for 6 months, doesn’t know a soul and says they felt uncomfortable because no one spoke English when they were shopping one day, certainly doesn’t make one a racists nor does it indicate they do not like other cultures. MAKING UP STORIES AND TWISTING PEOPLE’s POST CERTAINLY DOES A NUMBER TO YOUR CREDIBILITY. You have been accused of that so many times by so many people one would think for your own credibility you would try to change.
yorlik wrote Oct 17th. “EXCLUDING QUEBEC THIS” EXCLUDING QUEBEC THAT” and on and on and on and on.
Quebec is one of the provinces in this great country whether you like it or not….ca-vas? So, yes Quebec should be included.
@cc2…..Cornwall has always had French schools. In a country that has two official languages it should come as no surprise to you.
ON October 18, 2013 at 10:10 am Furtz wrote, @Kilroy, GQO, and all (twelve) freedom fighters. Where is the grand movement of Anglo Canadians demanding the expulsion of Quebec from Canada?”
Hey Furtzie, i realize that “your schtick” is to be the fly in the ointment and the piece of grit in that smooth soft suntan lotion, and i admit, you are quite good at but, since you don’t want to be part of the solution then perhaps it’s best if you just relax and watch.
Firstly, i would tell you.
Don’t worry your lead filled head about what is going on behind the scenes as once it begins to happen i can just see you as the type to be the first to “jump on board.”
Secondly, i would challenge you not to be so narrow minded. Think about this. Have you ever seen what happens when someone backs a dog or other animal into a corner? If you haven’t, i will tell you. Most often the animal that has been kicked and abused and then backed into a corner will not hesitate to bite whomever it is that is cornering it.
AND on that note…
I want to leave you with these thoughts.
A month or two, or even three months before Gaddafi was taken down in Libya (remember what his fate was don’t you?), or Mubarak was faced with thousands of people demanding change in Tahrir Square, did you or anyone else see “the few disgruntled letter writers and commentators on the sites?” Was there an ad in the newspaper telling of what was about to happen?
NO, there was no set time that marked the end of the patients of THE PEOPLE. There was no warning of what would be the final little piece of the puzzle that push THE PEOPLE TO ACT. Sometimes all it takes is for one small thing to happen that opens the flood gates and people suddenly wake up and realize that ACTION MUST BE TAKEN.
Granted, these examples are not the, i admit there are some major differences but… People do ultimately get fed up of being taken advantage of no matter what the context.
Now, i don’t know when or what will be “the final straw” (maybe another — pasta — episode) but, i can tell you right now. The pressure — IS — building and If the whole world doesn’t collapse first (which i am afraid is indeed a possibility) there will be some kind of push back against what is happening in this country. The crap that is going on in the province of Quebec right now (and has been for years) is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY unacceptable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InMfQuYwZls&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUkNVjM4Gc&hd=1
and the further attempt to push the same “Frenchification agenda” upon the rest of Canada in the manner that it is happening is also TOTALLY unacceptable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxHI4-ZLpxs&hd=1
I ASK ANYONE…
Is this
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wTQuiFRNOmM/UmFl9gCWcMI/AAAAAAAAA2c/R95v-wO9Vcc/w863-h558-no/Ministry+of+Heritage+-+French+first.png
not an — IN YOUR FACE indicator — of what is to come in this country if nothing is done to STOP them?
How is it that this kind of “sense of entitlement” be acceptable in a country of 38 million people, of which a large majority is English and only a small fraction of that number who speak French ONLY?
How can it be that “FEDERAL” government webs sites –
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wTQuiFRNOmM/UmFl9gCWcMI/AAAAAAAAA2c/R95v-wO9Vcc/w863-h558-no/Ministry+of+Heritage+-+French+first.png
which are supposed to represent the majority of the people — end up with the French on the dominant side and in the dominant position. THIS WILL NOT continue to be acceptable. We are in a brewing period right now.
So, why don’t you take your “rinky-dink” sad & lonely, non caring, complacent ideals (oh and, that piece of grit too) and scurry off to some dust filled corner somewhere where you can continue NOT giving a damn about your fellow Canadian citizens who are being treated as second and third class citizens in their own country.
And also where you can NOT give a damn about how future generations of Canadian Anglophones will not be able to find employment in their own country.
And also where you can NOT give a damn about the fact that a group of people are being forced against their will to fulfill some freakin warped — Hitler like — dream of a former Prime Minister to create some kind of PURE LAINE French ONLY speaking race with ZERO tolerance for any other languages or cultures.
Oh and, in case you haven’t noticed. This whole “ethnic shaping plan” is being done on British soil using a HUGE amount of Canada’s resources which are being sapped directly from the very majority Anglophone group that is gradually to be done away with or marginalized according to “that plan.”
And on that note i would like to wish you a “yup, I’d say it’s just a matter of time…” type of day … EH 🙂