LTE: Chris Cameron of Cornwall Ontario – Bill 14 is A Canadian Human Rights tragedy!

406 Comments

1. 

   I totally agree with everything you have written in opposition to Pierre, Peter.

   Pierre writes:

   “The PQ has demonised no one. You(s) demonise the PQ and francophone.”

   Pierre’s dialectical argumentative method fools no one here; nay, perhaps Pierre himself.

   Actually, Pierre, the PQ has demonized the entire use of the English language and it’s practicioners within the Province of Quebec and has been for decades. Hence the support for the current language laws that exist in that province. The fact that the language is discouraged through laws is proof enough.

   However I do not like to spout my accusations without providing substantiating proof of such. And so here we go. Here are some examples of the PQ demonizing the English language.

   http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/08/12/pq-quebec-election-language-laws_n_1770365.html

   Page 1:

   “The PQ would crack down on English in the workplace and introduce stricter rules for who must attend French-language junior college, Marois said at a campaign stop in Montreal.

   Marois said the province’s landmark language law, Bill 101, must be updated to stop the decline of French in the province, in particular in Montreal shops and businesses.

   The PQ leader, who criticized the Liberal government for failing to do enough to protect the French language, said she would introduce new legislation within 100 days of taking power that would close a loophole that allows companies to operate in English.”

   http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/08/10/todays-letters-marios-anti-english-rhetoric-hurts-quebec/

   Page 1:

   “I am a long-time resident of St. Lambert, Que., where anglophones and francophones have lived side by side in harmony for decades. A few nights ago, my daughter and four of her friends were out for a walk in the village when a young female cyclist accompanied by two male cyclists rode by them and berated them for speaking in English. “On est au Quebec; on parle Français” she yelled at them.
   My daughter and her friends (who are all bilingual, with one a francophone), were taken aback by her comments but with Parti Québécois leader Pauline Marois’ inflammatory anti-English rhetoric of the last few days, I am not surprised by the cyclist’s outburst.
   Ms. Marois’ vow to strengthen the already discriminatory Bill 101, her rants about English being increasingly heard on the streets, her condemnation of English being used by store personnel and her obvious disdain for the English community are, no doubt, viewed by some as an invitation to carry out these kind of anti-English attacks. Is this a sign of things to come under a PQ government? Are the language police going to take to the streets? I have no problem with Ms. Marois wanting to preserve the French language and culture but her continuous anglo-bashing is not the way to achieve her goals. I imagine even Monsieur Levesque is turning in his grave.
   Cynthia Kassab, St. Lambert, Que.”

   Pierre, just for your information, when I typed the following:

   “Parti Quebecois anti-English rants”, into the google search engine, it took a total return time of 0.13 seconds with the recorded total of 1,280,000 hits. Yes, that is over 1.25 million returns!

   Here is the search link provided for you:

   (http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&rlz=1W1ADRA_en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Parti+Quebecois+anti+English+rants&rlz=1W1ADRA_en&oq=Parti+Quebecois+anti+English+rants&gs_l=hp.3…18859.18859.1.19072.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.5.psy-ab.UaYo0DjmAAo&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43287494,d.aWc&fp=e20d82f10a29f7d1&biw=1024&bih=502)

   Pierre, do you still stand by your statement written above?

   To Peter. I both empathize and sympathize with your frustrations in your arguments with the likes of both Pierre and Stella. You’re right in your assertions, Peter.

2. 

   Pierre
   March 6, 2013 at 11:35 pm

   “We can’t answer all your questions because there all over the map.They’re impertinent and irrelevant to the topic we are supposed to be discussing.”

   -Pierre if your not old enough too play in the sand box maybe you should get out .

   -Each Question that we ask is very valid and pertinent to the topic but you choose to be evasive and defer those questions as you clearly are not informed on the subject.

   “That’s why, Stella and Ed ridicule you, and I guess I do too.”

   Well Pierre were all not surprised here ,we ask valid questions and provide ample data to support our argument yet you and your kin prefer to ridicule as this is your ONLY defense in an argument that in the end you clearly lose ALL OF THE TIME.

   “I mean, what more can we say. What can anybody say, to people, when all the politicians of the country and all the courts of the country and all the judges of the country have already answered your questions and the mainline media and most of the population have supported those answers and you say that everybody is wrong, except you.”

   Hilarious now you speak for ALL -buddy you need medications as your having delusions of grandeur as now you are speaking as a politician that represents all right?

   There are many that do not agree with these policies -but You know That segregation in the united States was policy and law as well !!!!!!!!!
   I may have been too young to participate in those marches but had I been able to ,I would have proudly stood along side as all people are equal .
   You Pierre ,Stella ,Ed would have been the ones RIDICULING casting stones and continuing to push your agenda to maintain your class of superiority .

   This inequity through language is strikingly similar to those dark days of oppression and segregation in the united states, their still remains some that practice racism but society as a whole will not except it.

   We in Canada since 60’s now have imported that segregation and oppression mindset (Quebec),and our society excepts it and the rest of Canada chooses to remain apathetic and not address our own racism in OUR COUNTRY.

   We MUST REMEMBER as a country are 84% English speaking.

   The United States have went beyond segregation and elected a Black president can Canada do the same do the same and elect a uni-lingual Prime Minister?
   Not likely as discriminatory language legislation may not permit this.

   Therefore the color of ones skin May not matter but the capability to speak THE ONE MANDATORY language of the 200+minority languages .
   So the grasp of a minority language is what determines your stature in life?

   “I’ve made writing mistakes. Everybody does.
   But my statements, my opinions and my judgments have never been proven wrong.
   That’s because I and Stella and Ed and others on this blog, share with the politicians and the courts and the mainstream media and the majority of canadians a little intellectual quality called, good sense or the forest. ”

   OMG your not only delusional Pierre its funny yet sad .
   REALITY CHECK -you have been proven so many times that there is a pattern :

   1)upon being proven wrong -you and your ilk go on RANTS AND PROPAGANDIZING .
   2)When called upon to confirm or address the questions because of you and your ilk , the inability and lack of data to back your argument ,you go into evasive mode as we all just recently evidenced and your group has yet to answer ONE single question.
   3)Return to the debate after a duration in time and use propaganda continue to be evasive of the questions ,and start CHARACTER ASSASSINATIONS as this is the last DESPERATION of a FOOL that has lost the debate.

   “The PQ has demonised no one. You(s) demonise the PQ and francophone.”

   That’s PASTA -oops I am sorry I used a bad word!

   We are not demonizing the francophone ,but the PQ and their policies that create inequality and oppress other cultures in the protection of French language.

   The intention of protecting a language is admirable but it should not be at the loss of others rights then its no longer considered admirable.

3. 

   @ pierre,

   Still waiting pierre, still waiting.

   it is becoming, evident to the intelligent and well prepared posters here, just what type of people pierre, stella and ed are.

   Anyone, who supports the language laws of quebec, endorses their polices, and generally adheres to their practices, these actions speak for themselves, and speaks volumns about these individuals.

   to support a xenaphobic, ethnocentric society, isolated unto themselves by a language, is assinine.

   I truly believe, we as a group ( English Canadians ) MUST, and WITHOUT delay begin the process of starting a new political party. Maybe this can start with CLF, and the speakers that are invited there to promote our cause.

   Maybe, a single current POLITICAN will have the guts to finally call it as it is, and DO SOMETHING.

   I also would support any and all ad campaigns, to send our message out far and wide. We owe this to the furure generations of our children.

   I have stated time and time again, start boycotting businesses and institutions that have bilingualism, and that do not hire anglophones.

   I have gone to great lengthes to forward all of the links here to as many people as I can, right across the country and beyond.

   If we all did this, the word word spread very, very, quickly and support will come in.

   I look forward to the rally on Parliament hill. I hope this may act as a catylist for our cause.

   if not, then we do something else. There is certainly no shortage of ideas.

   Since CLF is already established, then we can use this as a springboard to forming our new political party. With the likes of Brian Lilley and others at sun news this can be done.

   And UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE WE TO BE INTIMIDATED BY french POLITICANS OR OTHERS THAT WILL ACCUSE US OF BEING ANTI-french.

   To hell with playing nice and appeasement , it simply doesn’t work

   We have talked for over 200 tyears and this got uss NOWHERE

   The time for talk is over, the Time to ACT IS NOW

4. 

   Re: Pierre’s statement that the courts and politicians agree with laws.

   Just as Peter said, “Now pierre, because courts and politicians agree with laws, does NOT make these laws either right, or do they represent the majority of what the Canadian people want or think.”

   Pierre, just because courts and politicians agree with certain laws …

   ** that DOES NOT make these laws right or good or proper. **

   After all, there were many courts and politicians who “agreed with” the segregation of blacks and keeping them as slaves etc back in the day. Then society woke up and realized these are humans beings and the color of their skin (just like the language they speak) SHOULD NOT make them second class citizens.

   But alas, it seems the politicians and courts in Quebec (oh and you Pierre) have yet to step into the 21st century and re-learn the idea that people should be treated equally and with respect.

   Somehow though, with their stead fast unimaginable sense of — the French language and the French people are BETTER than others — concept, I believe they will never learn this in Quebec.

   This is why i truly believe that WE MUST separate and have distinct countries.
   My Canada SHOULD NOT include segregated hospitals or health care clinics.

   OR, for that matter provinces with laws that make the citizens in that province second class citizens in their own country.

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   Here’s “an educational video” for you to watch Pierre.

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Z-5CzrKQg

   And also Pierre, remember to
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   * Have a nice day eh *

5. 

   @ Cory Cameron
   I’m sorry to say it But you are completely mindless on this issue.
   Of course the parti québécois want’s to strengten the law 101 and that decision is supported by the ”Conseil supérieur de la langue française” and by most of the the population of the province because french is loosing ground in the province.

   The reason it is necessary to implement francisation programs in bussinesses having 26 to 50 employees is that alophone workers need to learn french to fonction well in Québec and also for this province to continue to be a francophone one.

   Your link to the National Post is an opinion piece.
   Of course there are some language extremist Québécois who think that any english, in Québec, is too much… Just like you language extremists think any french, in Ontario, is too much.
   you two groups are exactly the same.

   I listen to everything that Pauline Marois saids and she’s never said any of the things, you say she said about the anglophone community.
   She does’nt condemn the use of english in bussinesses in Montreal or anywhere in Québec except when these english bussinesses do not provide french service to their francophone customers

   the rest of that opinion peace of crap is just fear mongering.

   I’m not very computer literate so I don’t understand all those hits and stuff you talk about but, with propaganda like that, being printed by the national post and other english media, it is no surprise, that there are so many hateful hits, in so few seconds.

   Yes I do stand by everything I’ve written and will do so until you provide me with some proof, not opinion, that there is desdain in the PQ or in the Premier for the anglophone community in or out of Québec.
   You will not be able too because no one can prove an opinion.
   It’s like a negative. You cannot prove a negative.
   Find facts they prove themselves.

6. 

   @ pierre,

   Any society that openly calls on its people to squeal on others that are in violation of an ethmnocentric , xenophobic law is akin to what the nazis did in ww 11.

   Imagine a government thats says to its people “rat out ” the English if you think the use of the world’s international law is violating a bill 101 that is counter to all that is democratic.

   What kind of a person does this?

   What kind of a society are they?

   if this doesn’t smack of facsism , nothing does.

   This is the society that you support pierre, you and stella and ed ( the sock )

   Please do not even mention you are fair, democratic and beiieve these are just laws. I don’t give a damm what any court in the lands says or thinks.

   this is why people revolt .

   They are RACIST, ETHNOCENTRIC , ANTI- DEMOCRATIC and above all ANTI-ENGLISH.

   quebec society is a cancer on Candaa, that HAS to be removed.

   They are a very sick society, one that pits citizen agaiunst citizen. A society that has put the french language above, humanity, economy, family and all the other, established values that people aspire to.

   They even put the fench language above God, by not respecting one’s inalienable right (This means a God given right pierre ) to freedom of expression in all facets of communication.

   So please, don’t you dare make any kind of assertations that you and the rest of the FRAUD SQUAD believe in democracy, when you don’t even know what the word democracy means.

7. 

   @ highlander
   What valid questions do I not answer?
   All you do is provide opinions from anti francophone sources
   I’m glad to ear you say that all people are equal because in Canada it is bilingualism, where it is implemented, that makes the two official languages groups, equal.
   You could be right that some polititions are bigots, in their harts, but they must be very few because we would hear from them.
   As far as I can see they are a fiction of your imagination.
   Again, prove me wrong, and I’ll opoligize.

   You know highlander, if you made any kind of sense I could address your concerns better We are talking about the implementation of bill 14 and it’s righteousness not racism in the USA. Again you’re all over the map… Talk about going on rants!
   you beat even beat Peter, on that aspect.

   As for ”pastagate”. It was the mistake of an over active bureaucrat. The PQ has apologized for the mistake and pointed out that law 101 allows for the use of other language on signs and elsewhere in bussinesss…
   Just another bit of substantial information that you will choose to ignore and continue to say that I provide no information when it’s you who does not.

8. 

   @ pierre,

   You wanted proof, I provided it in the history of your own “province ” pierre.

   Remember tachereau, Duplessis, Godbout et al. No response from you.

   Remember my questions regarding the francophones, that have letf quebec BECAUSE OF BILL 101 , no response.

   They have no choice to send their children to an English school, so they leave. As I said they do it quietly, because they would be considered as traitors, by people like you and other zealots.

   Remember the questions I posed to you ,as to why people don’t go to quebec because of bill 101, but they sure as hell leave because of bill 101 , no response.

   What about “PASTA “, and “PENIS RINGS “, pierre, please explain to me again , how they threaten your precious language and culture

   quebec, and all of their racist and biggoted supporters are nothing more than legalized nazis, that suttlely transform, through their intimidating and sickening tactics a province quebec ), and make it the laughing stock of the free world

   Using excuses to perpatrate bill 101 is absolute garbage.

   There was no threat ot your language or culture EVER, I proved this by citing your own history, that you have conviently denied and ignored to suit your own warped views.

   i have laid out and used quebec history against you, and you simply can’t take it pierre.

   By being afraid of addressing the issues and questions i posed to you, only makes my argumants more credaible and factual.
   You cannot argue against me, becuse these are the facts of quebec history. LOOK IT UP

   pierre, DENIAL IS NOT JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT , it is refusing to accept fact and running away from truth.

   This is something you have no damm concept of, your bias, biggorty and blindness ( nationalism does blind all ) has put up te walls of prejudice that for you are inpenatrable.

   You and your group are a very sad and sick people that are to be pitied , not respected, and rightly so. the only symbol missing from the fleur de lyis is the swastika
   

9. 

   @ Peter
   All countries expect their citizens to inform on lawbreakers. Sometimes people even get financial rewards for it.
   Informing is, by no means, exclusive to Québec governments.

   The public service of Canada expects it’s workers to rat on their co workers if they play computer games during work hours…
   It’s your hate of Québec that makes you write ugly stuff,like that.

   You are the one who is antidemocratic because you do not respect the will of the majority of québécois who demand that their government protert the language of the majority. A desire that is also shared, by many anglo quebecers
   I know that you don’t care about what any court in the land thinks or says. But thanks for saying it as it proves, you are the xenophobic, ethnocentric, that you accuse others of being…
   I really do hope that there are some rational readers, of your posts, out there, as a they surely discredit you(s).
   Democracy means that the majority of people elect the women and men who will implement the laws that you say you don’t care to abide by.
   Irony alert…
   Oh what a model canadian you are, Peter!

10. 

    You are {MODERATED} my dear Pierre. 1.28 million hits says much and says it all. I have provided links which quotes directly Pauline Marois (if you had bothered to read them on the links) and again you give your personal opinion on the matter. Which are we to believe? Integral journalistic pieces or the rantings and ravings of a Pro-Separatist Pierre? Pierre, ignore my take on the issue for a moment and admit that the following has taken place, below:

    Come on Pierre. The truth was was/is right there! Language police, pasta/penis rings, Bills 101 and 14. All of this and still you outright follow this bilingualism/French language ethnocentric Quebec behaviour letter to the T!

    This behaviour is dogmatic from you Pierre and represents a faith-based belief in the propaganda of the Parti Quebecois; ignoring all facts and figures which clearly point it (PQ) out as being both racist and ehtnocentric in both it’s words and actions. For you cannot even acknowlege actual quotes taken from Marois herself as being factual.

    What more proof do you need?

    You asked for proof and I gave it to you for which you still attempt to refute it. This is blind, dogmatism.

    Let’s once again examine what you wrote:

    “The PQ has demonised no one. You(s) demonise the PQ and francophone.”

    I have proven to you that the PQ has demonized both the English language and its practicioners. But no worries, Pierre. A leopard cannot change its spots and it won’t be long until there is another pastagate situation in Quebec for which the media will report on and we can highlight yet another example that will support our argument.

    As for me demonizing the PQ and francophone, Pierre. I am married to a wonderful Francophone lady and how is it that you see me demonizing the PQ? By offering direct newspaper quotes on what the PQ leader has said and revealing the injustices of Bills 101 and 14?

    Sorry my dear, Pierre. You get an F from this teacher for Debate 101.

    Cory

11. 

    Is this on topic enough Pierre?

    Conseil superieur de la langue francaise (advisors on Bill 14) say even if every measure of Bill 14 is implemented, Quebec is not doing enough! They also say use of French in Quebec is declining and that it peaked in 1989 and that Bill 101 badly needs updating. That can be disturbing enough for some, but this statement wins the prize “The council says many companies still require bilingualism even though it’s almost always illegal to do so, and immigrants are getting mixed signals”, wow, wanting bilingual employees could be illegal!

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/bill-14-not-strong-enough-say-language-advisors-1.1184163#ixzz2MtGBQI9I
    Perhaps some reason is near, Coalition Avenir Quebec say it will oppose most controversial parts of the Bill, but alas, it is only a draft.
    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/bill-14-appears-doomed-to-defeat-1.1183758

12. 

    @ pierre

    Pierre writes “what valid questions do I not answer ” ?

    Answer : ALL OF THEM

    How about the following :

    1) Why do you blame the English for threatenibg your language, when it was your former leaders of the past, that INVITED the English to come in and control ?

    20 Why are many a francophone leaving quebec because of bill 101 ?

    3) Why don’t people come to quebec, your immigration stats have been down since when … 1977, the year bill 101 was initiated is that not the reason ?

    4) Why are you not thanking the English for establishing the Governmental, economic, international and commerical entites that quebec enjoys today. The English enhabced quebec, they were NEVER EVER a threat. You people are legands IN YOUR MINDS.

    After all it was the English that built modern day quebec, created jobs and brought quebec into the 20th. and 21 st. centuries ?

    Why don’t you know the name of your most favorite queebc politican?

    Why does the L ‘office de la langue francias, see PASTA as a threat to their language?

    Why does the L’office de la langue francais see PENIS RINGS as a threat to their language, please explain, the whole world wants to know the answers to those questions.

    I also have posted over the last few days many more questions to which you choose to duck, bob, weave and weisal out of answering .

    Are you afraid pierre to confront your history?

    Are you so embarrassed that the truth about quebec, its racist policies, are ill founded and based on anti-English rethoric and hatred?

    These are the questions you never address, these are the issues that are the meat of these discussions pierre,

    come, answer them, show us you SOME GUTS

    Up till now, I see a whimp that is too afraid to deal with real issues and hides behind a wall of propaganda written and directed by a facist , xenaphobic , and ethnocentic anti- Englsih government, that is quebec.

    Still waiting pierre, still waiting

13. 

    peter, cory & piper you are so {MODERATED}and yorlik is no better.

    Pierre, I also said many times these english freedom fighters work their a$$ off trying to find sites and videos to try and prove their point. They even make their own you tube videos when they can’t find anything to post. The funny part is they are convinced that people believe their BS.

    If the english freedom fighters have such a large following, because according to c, there are millions who are backing their agenda….why do they keep coming here, babbling everyday? That in itself speaks volumes on the support they truly have.

    Pierre, one is not allowed a life with these guys, otherwise, they say we are avoiding them and afraid…..LOL Pierre, here is a heads up. Do not allow them to make you feel inferior. The majority in this country realize their absurdity. That is the game they play and have been playing for almost 2 years now. Attack the poster in every which way they can, ridiculing anyone who does not agree with them. Know what? That behavior is a reflection of their own insecurities…plain and simple.

    As for you c, I would have loved to respond to your post, but because of the work involved (being your post is on the previous page) it’s not worth my while **smile**

14. 

    @PIERRE

    I was referring to the human species in particular Pierre, as my principle focus was on the ability to rationalize to qualify the separatist protectionist thought process. Wild animals therefore could not be included in this specific topic as a result (rationalization).

    You state that “assimilation doesn’t worry me, at all”. On March 04, 2013 6:20 pm you stated that the assimilation of francophone does exist in Canada. Later in that reply you make the suggestion that unilingualism (english) is bad.

    February 27 2013 you remarked that bilingualism was found to be the fair way to treat all Canadians. I believe, to be fair Pierre, that you were referring to the original intend of the official act governing bilingualism in Canada. So you have an expectation of certain services in French outside the province of Quebec which at the Federal level is reciprocated by law within Quebec. Fair enough to all.

    Bill 101 was only the beginning and now Bill 14 would see the end of the fairness which you spoke of. Supporting this Bill supports that you are driven by the fear of assimilation. Rights of English Canadians in Quebec have steadily declined since the passing into law of bill 101. The separate school system ensures the right to receive an education in french outside of Quebec. This system was a result of the negotiations between the two founding (invading) nations to ensure fairness of education. Eventually as a result of Bill 14 Pierre, English speaking individuals will not receive reciprocity of this basic right because official bilingualism except at the federal level will not exist within Quebec thanks to the notwithstanding
    clause.

    You are right bilingualism exists in Quebec. However the issue has never been about which language can be spoken but rather concerning the language in which a Canadian receives service in.
    Provincially is where the fairness ends.

    So if assimilation is not your fear Pierre than is the motivation of separatists rooted in ignorance and feelings of inferiority or is its motivation based on some other premise entirely?

15. 

    Pierre
    March 7, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    “@ highlander
    What valid questions do I not answer?”

    Are there any Questions that you answered that are fact based ..NOT

    “All you do is provide opinions from anti francophone sources”

    We provide our sources from reputable news agencies -because you do not agree with the article you call them anti french .

    So those 14 countries and many media that discussed the “PASTA GATE” yup their all anti french bigots you know -phew you need meds buddy ,reality is sure not your thing.

    “I’m glad to ear you say that all people are equal because in Canada it is bilingualism, where it is implemented, that makes the two official languages groups, equal.”

    So only equal by language you say because of bilingualism ,no all people are equal with exception of having the french language,that being held superior in the government.

    “You could be right that some polititions are bigots, in their harts, but they must be very few because we would hear from them.”

    There are many and they are sitting in the national legislator in Quebec,yes we hear them they want bill 14.

    “We are talking about the implementation of bill 14 and it’s righteousness not racism in the USA.’

    Bill 14 oppresses other cultures and it remains a form of discrimination in the so called protection of the French language.
    Why should it be permitted to oppress one culture to support of another ,in Quebec one culture has more rights then another WELCOME TO CANADA’S RACISM.

    UNDER GOD WE ARE ALL EQUAL ,BUT NOT UNDER CANADIAN LANGUAGE LAWS.

    ‘Just another bit of substantial information that you will choose to ignore and continue to say that I provide no information when it’s you who does not.”

    REALITY CHECK this not isolated one time issue ,the law should not been enacted to tell business owners what language they must have-That’s fascism google it bud its the very definition of fascism for the state to dictate that business principles align with the state.

    PIERRE YOU NEED TO BE DEPROGRAMMED

    WE FOUGHT FASCISM in WW2 NOW CANADA EXCEPTS IT WITHIN ITS OWN BORDERS.

    IF THIS WAS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY CANADA WOULD BE FIGHTING IT THROUGH DIPLOMATIC MEASURES ,WE HERE EXCEPT IT WELCOME TO SOCIALISM WITH A FASCISM FLARE.

    PERHAPS MORE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA SPOTLIGHTING QUEBEC AND CANADA WILL HELP CANADIANS SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREE’S,RATHER THEN THE MEDIA BRAINWASHING THROUGH THE STATE MEDIA THE CBC.

16. 

    The swastika is a very appropriate symbol for Quebec -welcome the new Vichy,the brown shirts will be soon at your establishment to measure your English writing and post a warning that you have violated the law so that the Ethnocentric’s can berate you and belittle you for not being “pure laine”.

    The culture with a sense of entitlement -look at the students: lowest tuition in all of Canada yet mass protests they want it FREE.

    So this sense of entitlement starts at a very young age , their privileged you know -because their french Canadian .

    Listen Pierre the separatist ,once Quebec separates you will be the first to jump ship after the economic desperation starts .Like the welfare recipient when the check stop coming ,you and your state will be begging for international support as the welfare state can and never will be able to make it on its own -there is 50+ years of evidence of this.

17. 

    @ stella,

    thank you for including me with cory, highlander edudyorlik, et al.

    They are great Canadians with a perspective, that is fair, logical and just.

    just the opposite to you and MIA pierre.

    stella, have you not learned anything at all ?

    You are still making a fool of yourself

    Why are you saying bad things about us , and got yourself moderated stella, shame, shame ?

    have we upset you?

    I know, have bowl of “pasta” and go to you nearest sex boutique store, in quebec, and see if the “penis Rings” are up to code

    If not, like your quebec allies you can then RAT THEM out as the quebec ( Nazi ) government demands all good little french people have to do.

    Report this assualt so your precious french language, can be preserved, like any one cares right ?

18. 

    @ stella,

    if no one cars what we say why do you still respond and comment on our viewpoints.

    You what hey say stella, imatation is the sincerest form of flattery,

    we thank you for that stella

    Ratted any one out otday steall?

    have any PASTA ?

    Know any violators of the infamous PENIS RING caper ?

    Bet pierre is out being a good {MODERATED} froline marois

19. 

    Just a reminder to everyone to cut it out with the name calling. I don’t have excess time for moderation. We will delete whole comments if this persists.

20. 

    As we see more of what this government wants, it becomes more clear that the federal government needs to get involved. Quebec wants to be on the world stage, but wants it’s people to only learn French….how is that helpful in dealing with the world that has a business language of English?

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/07/parti-quebecois-government-english-language/

21. 

    Hey Stella,

    Just to let you in on a little something. I really didn’t have to work my ass off trying to find websites to prove my point. It took all of about 3 seconds (including the 0.13 seconds) to run the sentence, “Parti Quebecois anti-English rants”, to find 1.28 million websites.

    I forgive you too Stella for not responding to my post. And get this, it’s not because I believe you can’t respond more extensively to the post but actually agree with you that it would be too much work for you. It’s true, then. Being a silver-spoon fed bourgeois who no doubt was raised in the French West Indies, I cannot imagine Princess Stella having to raise fingers other than to antagonize a group of people seeking to bring about fairness in their own country.

    For you wrote:

    “As for you c, I would have loved to respond to your post, but because of the work involved (being your post is on the previous page) it’s not worth my while **smile**

    Yes, it isn’t worth your while, Stella. For there is no government monetary hand out in responding to my post, is there? It’s not like you tried to order a 7-up in French to me and I was unable to comply; was there?

    Perhaps you can write some sort of CBC/Provincial/Federal/Local financial proposal that seeks to study a proper separatist approach in dealing with us unruly Non-Francophones who refuse to live in a Quebec-based ethnocentric, racial society.

    Maybe you can augment some of your government salary Stella with more wasted tax dollars like that used for language police in Quebec and language spies at Canadian airports across the country.

    Why not steal my ideas Stella? Quebec society is already siphoning millions of our tax dollars for projects of a dubious nature involving social engineering. What harm can be done with a few more thousand dollars being set aside for a stellar study sanctioned by Stella?

22. 

    stellabystarlight
    March 7, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    “Pierre, I also said many times these english freedom fighters work their a$$ off trying to find sites and videos to try and prove their point.”

    Actually Stella is really isn’t much work there is so much to easily find as there so many infringements of rights due to language.

    We are rights advocates Stella go ahead cast stones ,curse us use your propaganda ,rights are rights and all should be treated equally .
    Were you in the states during the civil rights movements and insulting them and trying to oppress them to for speaking up against a wrong ,BECAUSE YOU ARE THE SAME TYPE OF PERSON TO DO THAT.

    Quebec charter of human rights

    #10 Every person has a right to full and equal recognition and exercise of his human rights and freedoms, without distinction, exclusion or preference based on race, colour, sex, pregnancy, sexual orientation, civil status, age except as provided by law, religion, political convictions, language, ethnic or national origin, social condition, a handicap or the use of any means to palliate a handicap.

    Pierre and Stella:
    If all people are considered full and equal and this includes language why is it permitted by the fascist state for not allowing a private business to post their signs in the choice of language of their choice -notice without distinction ,exclusion or preference.

    So making the writing of another language smaller to another is not preference or distinction and not allowing English on outside signs not exclusion?

    The very definition of fascism is for the state to dictate that business principles align with the state.

    Stella and Pierre have been indoctrinated into the Fascist beliefs -YOU NEED TO BE DEPROGRAMMED.

    Your belief in the Fascist state entitles you to believe that Francophones have more rights then any other culture .

    Hate to burst INDOCTRINATED PROGRAMMED minds but we are ALL EQUAL under god but not under Canadian language laws.

    Segregation had been government sanctioned in the states ,like it is now in Canada with the language laws .

    Canadian government excepts segregation through “french only ” clinics and Quebecs bill 101 and bill 14 .
    For the Canadian Government to do nothing implies it agrees with segregation and the oppression of the minorities in Quebec.

    Canadians are not apathetic but more pathetic and DO NOT stand up for their rights when they are clearly taken away.

23. 

    Wow people you MUST view this link:

    Now the FASCIST STATE Is going to change the history books in the interest of thier adgenda and indoctrinate thier youth to the FASCIST view of Quebec and Canadian history.

    The FASCIST state has taken this concept right fron the NATZI handbook.
    Like I have said so many times before its scary simular to the NATZI MOVEMENT.

    I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS HAPPENS ON OUR COUNTRY,YET LIKE GERMANY FEW STAND AGAINST THIS -THEREFOR WE CANADIANS DESERVE WHAT’S COMING.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/07/parti-quebecois-government-english-language/

24. 

    @PIERRE

    I have always, when debating the language realities in the province of Quebec and the verve of the separatist movement, ultimately concluded that the underling motivation was the fear of assimilation.

    Unlike the people of France who embrace English as the recognized language of international business Quebecois swim against the tide. Proof that freedom of choice does not have to be a partner of common sense. Stop signs say stop. When you visit the Eiffel Tower signage is in English with French in smaller type below. Recognition that tourism has importance in the economics of a nation. Parisians, generally, prefer to distance themselves from their cousins in Canada and when it comes to laws on language usage and on ways to protect ones culture the divide is rather obvious.

    Is it the belief of separatists in general that one can legislate the preservation of language and culture while at the same time maintaining harmony amongst a multitude of cultures. This is now not a popular view around the globe with the support of multicultural societies being withdrawn. So is it correct to say that the direction of the separatists is to drive out all in opposition and to coerce those that remain into acceptance?

25. 

    “Stella wrote, “They even make their own you tube videos when they can’t find anything to post. The funny part is they are convinced that people believe their BS.”

    People are indeed starting to take notice miss notsobright. And –that– is what you are afraid of. We know you are worried that people will wake up and realize that we must STOP pandering the Quebec and the French, and it’s coming.

    I KNOW you live in fear of this day miss notsobright. You and Pierre and the rest of your clan who can’t see good from evil or right from wrong. You are all afraid because IT IS COMING.

    IT IS coming to a town near you. One day soon you’ll have to decide which “country” you wish to live in.

    Canada, a prosperous country filled with with hope and opportunity for people who mostly conduct life in English ONLY but accept the diversity of humanity.

    Or Quebec, a desperate French ONLY bigoted, racist — squeal on neighbor because the instructions on his gas cap are in English — washed up, French only, poverty stricken, newly minted no-where-land “country” called Quebec with it’s “head of state” being a megalomaniac, bean town, racist supremest who believes he/she is God.

    All i can say is have fun with that … 🙂

    Oh and…
    See ya in the welfare line (if “the new country” of Quebec can afford to hand out welfare) since the tax money that the majority English Canadians have been dumping on Quebec in truck loads for far too long now will no longer be coming across the newly formed borders with the tolls and boarder guards who WILL BE checking and asking YOU, yes YOU and YOU TOO Pierre…

    Can i see your “CANADIAN” passport please.

26. 

    Great post David Oldham ON March 8, 2013 at 10:22 am.
    –
    @ ALL

    I have said it before, and as a matter of fact,
    i have been saying it for years.

    Language and culture simply cannot be legislated. It goes against every grain of common sense known to mankind (or should be known).

    For if the group that legislates language and culture accomplishes it’s goal, then the people within the place where they have accomplished such a thing will be filled with complete resentment.

    AND

    a legislated culture? How can one force another — by law — to prepare the great traditional French Canadian Ragu dish at Xmas time ? Or learn the chicken dance just for fun? That’s what culture is all about. No one has to legislate that OR CAN.

    It’s completely asinine and ridicules.

    It also takes so much away from the pure essence of what language and culture are supposed to be all about.

    But, as long as there are people like — not_so_bright and Pierre ET AL — who are filled with fear and hate then, this kind of stupidity will continue to exist.

    Nuf said…

27. 

    @ pierre

    I am still waiting for you responses pierre, as you pride your self on debating, I am very anxious to hear what you have to say.

    Posts ( march 4th. 1:27 P.M and 1:18 p.m.)

    feel free to also respond to any sebsequent posts, as well

    However, pierre,in light of the quebec governments’ decision to perhaps change how quebec history unfolded, may be you are waiting for them to re-write history. ( see highlander and Eric’s links above)

    @ cory, Highlander, Eric, David

    Great posts. However, they will fall on deaf ears, as usual.

    Can you imagine, take pierre and stella , and multiply them by millions , and now you have a real insight into quebec society, and how they think and act.

    Here is a society that has been schooled, brainwashed , use whatever term you prefer, over the last 50 years, and here is the result.

    To begin the process of potentially denying historical fact is now on their ( quebec and by extension francophone) agenda.

    To say , by a minister of education, from a Canadian province, that the teaching of English , is a sensitive file, is sickening.

    David, you write and express yourself beautifully. However, I doubt that any of your commentary was understood.

    Trying to lay forth, a logical, detailed factual account to the pierre’s and stella’s of the world is an impossible task.

    The same for Cory and highlander, and edudyorlik. they have tried and tried and tried, as I have as well.

    When it comes to quebec nationalism, logic, and facts go out the window. They are driven by pure emotion and see only, french, french, french .

    All they see, through indoctraniation is the quebec flag, and that their suppression was at the hands of the English.

    Historically, this is just not true. I can and have proved thsi time and again.

    But what I can’t seem to understand, throughout all of this , is our Canadian government doing absolutely NOHING to protect its citizens in quebec, and not recognizing that the vast majority of people in the rest of Canada feel that bilingualism is not wanted or accepted, or needed.

    There is NO Candaian political party, that has the guts to stand up for the anglos in quebec , or anywhere else , and publically state that bilingualism has failed, and is far too costly to continue.

    I have heard , that the current government does not want to have a confrontation with its quebec M.P.’s

    They want, only social peace. Just as the liberal governements in quebec wnated while in power

    well, I am truly fed up with having Canada’s agenda dictated to by quebec. To hell with social peace. The English majority should be second class citizens in Canada now ?

    Bad enough they (the English) are second class citizens in quebec, but the English should and MUST not be second class citizens in Canada. NO WAY

    This is where the line should be drawn with Canadian politicans.

    It is really time for an ALL ENGLISH CANADIAN POLITICAL PARTY to evolve and represent what the English majority in Canada want, and let the chips fall where thay may.

    I am truly tired of reading day in and day out, that french got this, that the french got that.

    That another, town, city hamlet has been designated as bilingual, with a french populating that could fill a phone booth, and we have no say in this. Not to mention WE PAY FOR BILINGUAISM, something NONE OF US WANT OR NEED

    Totally UNACCEPTABLE and this must END NOW enough already.

    The federal government should also recognize and publically acknowledge, that quebec is its own nation. They have their own cuture, they are adamently anti-English. There is NOTHING CANADIAN ABOUT quebec.

    this is reflective of their treatment towards the anglophone population in quebec, and have been for years.

    If the federal government has given up or is unable on protecting a large segment of its citizentery ( the English in quebec) then what comes into question is their right to govern at all.

    A new political party , focusing on Canada, the Canada that is made up of 28 million English people, and represents their interests, will , I believe be very appealing to Canadians that have to put up forced bilingualism and a blatent disrespect of the English, for 50 years.

    I believe, we NEED more choice in government, of a party that reflects CANADIAN needs and wants.

    Not quebec’s.

    I want a party that sets the Canadian agenda, not one having an agenda constantly fearful of what quebec and the frncophones of Canada want.

    We (THE ENGLISH ) are THE MAJORIY HERE, not francophones)

    Its time we began to start acting like a MAJORITY, and take steps to assert our agenda.

28. 

    @ ALL

    Apologies for the spelling errors , I have very poor eyesight and type too fast for my own good sometimes.

29. 

    peter March 8, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Well said peter but I would like to add to one of your statements:

    “well, I am truly fed up with having Canada’s agenda dictated to by quebec. To hell with social peace. The English majority should be second class citizens in Canada now ?”

    ” They want, only social peace. Just as the liberal governements in quebec wnated while in power”

    The Government is striving for social peace at the cost of human rights and alienation of the majority ,yet the government is unwilling to address the social injustices they create,by enforcement of unjust laws.
    CIVIL WAR WILL BE INEVITABLE,and it would be the government to blame to encourage the conditions to allow civil disobedience and war.

30. 

    @ pierre,

    Response to your post yesterday at 2:57p.m.

    are you out of your mind, saying that ratting out murders fraudsters, kidnappers ( like you friends in the FLQ) , extoracionists, rapists and the like is the same as

    Ratting out neighbors for the use of the world’s international language?

    Are you really saying what I think you are pierre ?

    And you are ok, being a squealer to your neighbors, because they want to make an honest living ?

    Let me get this straight, you are comparing using computer games , to a person’s INALIENABLE RIGHT ( this means a God given right, not a government’s right ) to communicate
    in their language of choice, be it business or anything else, is this what you are saying?

    This is like comparing Mother theresa to Hiltler.

    As far as caring about what courts in the land say and the laws that are passed, NOY EVERY LAW PASSED IS RIGHT or fair or necessarliy accepted by the majority of the poeple.

    Are you going to tell me the segragation laws of the deep south were just and good laws. They were on the books.

    So, if I understand you correctly you would agree with the segragated laws that only allowed whites to drink water at certain water fountains, and blacks at others.

    That blacks by Law had to ride in the back of the bus, these are laws you are ok with, becuase they are on the books and the majority of whites agreed with them ?

    So it is finally revealed that pierre, is fine with ratting out neighbors and fellow Canadians, because regardless of justice, or having an inalienable right ( God Given ) , regardless of ethical and moral standards, if ANY LAW IS ON THE BOOKS ,IT IS RIGHT and just, even if the majority, are be corrupt, evil and self serving, that that law is justified, and must be obeyed

    pieere then, certainly must agree with all of the nazi laws that the hitler government passed against the Jews in Germany and other occupied regions of Europe, during WW 11

    He must also be in favor of the holocoust that, by the laws of germany tried to ethnically cleanse over 6,000, 000 Jews from the face of the earth. Similar to what the quebec government is trying to do to the English in quebec

    So these laws, passed by the majority of germans, because Hitler was ELECTED democratically, just like marois, was, in pierre’s view are correct, and to be obeyed, and anyone not obeying these law should rat out their neighbor and have them killed.

    Similar to what is happening in quebec, except the deaths the English are suffering from , is their dignty, pride and heritage, human rights , just because hey ARE NOT french enough, right ?

    pierre, and no doubt stella, agrees with these laws.

    the paraelles are uncanny

    Thank you pierre, yes I am a model Canadian citizen and person, unlike you I don’t agree with hitler’s laws, or the laws of the deep south that murdered and degraded thousands of Black Americans, AND I DON’T AGREE WITH BILL 101 OR BILL 14 OR ANYTHING THAT THIS MODERN DAY NAZI LIKE REGIME IN quebec stands for.

31. 

    @ highlander,

    Thanks you for your addition and well said.

    You are correct in that the final end result of all this will be civil war.

    Speaking of which, has anyone given ANY thought to how the military will go, if this really turns ugly

    This is why I previously suggested a 10 year moratorium on quebec separation.

    The details, I will share should anyone who want them

32. 

    @David Holdham
    No!
    It is not the aim of separatists to drive out other languages, if that’s what you meant.
    The aim of the séparatists, concerning the french language is, simply, to protect it, as it is the language of the majorityin Québec.
    Bill 14, as it stands right now, is no more than an essay. In case you haven’t noticed yet, that’s the new PQ’s style… They fly test balloons.
    Mark my word the finished product will be more easily palated.

    I don’t know, if recognizing that the french language must be protected, in Québec or elsewhere in Canada, should be called fear. I wrote that I was not fearfull because, I can see, that the governments are doing a good job in protecting it.

    Québec recognizes very well, as does France and all E.U. countries, that english has become an international language.
    We are not swimming against the tide. There is widespread consensus (all parties, all citizens) that english be the second language of all francophone… But french must also be the second language of the quebecers (anglos).

    You must realise, David, that english is not a threat in France, as it is in Canada, simply because there are no english speaking countries on that continent.
    The Francophone in North America are only 3% of the population and Québec is the only state on this continent that has a francophone majority.
    There is no question, no doubt… Either we protect the french language or we lose it.

    Québec and Canada and many other countries are proving that you can legislate protection of languages and cultures.
    And, you’re wrong David. While countries around the world accept english as an international language they refuse to become part of a melting pot. Cultural diversity is the most important thing to armony in the civilized world and language is the foundation of culture.
    I just noticed that you’ve adressed me in a previous pot, last evening. I’ll read it later, and I’ll answer if I won’t just be repeating myself.

    IT’S SUPPERTIME!

33. 

    @ all

    I am also very offended that the name of the montreal hockey club is the Canadians.

    The canadians make thier home in an anti-Canadian province with anti- democratic laws .

    As a Canadian, a real one, this is insulting. Especially what the press and the people on montreal and quenebc did to Saku Koivu and Randy Cunnyworth

    Saku Koviu, currently a member of the Anahiem Ducks, was a previous captain of the Montreal Canadians.
    He is also a cancer survivor, that gave countless hours to assisting , visiting and raising funds at the montreal childrens hospital.

    When he was named captain, it was discovered that he was not french enough for the Canadians, and he suffered many, many nights of being booed in his own rink.

    Randy, Cunnyworth, is one of the most respected hockey men in the NHL. He was named coach of the Canadians.

    he too was not french enough for the fans, press, people of quebec, so he was fired and mocked in the media .

    Koviu. was especially hurt. He was a rock for people with cancer in Montreal and devoted time, money and support for the cancer patients in quebec.

    In the end, they ran him out of town, because he was not french enough.

    So there you have it everyone, exmples of quebec fanatical xenaphobic, ethnocentric society.

    There are many more examples, Paul Mc Cartney in quebec city, Paul Anka, there is a long ,long list

    What does this say about quebec and Canada

    I for one, share Canadas dirty little secret with everyone I know.

    I also make sure any all people I meet are very aware of the policies of quebec.

    Please get the hell out of canada, you are an embarrassment to all of mankind.

34. 

    @ pierr,

    Hoew come you don’t address the posts from March 4th. from me 1:27 and 8:11 p.m. pierre ?

    can you not defend the indefenseable?

    Why are you ducking me, bobbing and weaving so You don’t have to respond?

    Where again is the threat to the french language ?

    the quebec french ,before bill101 survived very well, even though they were a mere 2% of north america, they didn’t disappear.

    After 1960, their birth rate fell but so did everyone else’s

    Still waiting pierre, still waiting

    Oh, and in Europe, here are te English speaking countries:

    1) England

    2) Ireland

    3) northern Ireland

    5) Scotland

    Again , pierre, where is threat to your language, or is it just statistics that are fueling you position.

    feench was NEVER, EVER THREATENED, ENDANGERED OR ELIMINATED in canada, quebec or any place else.

    if what you are saying is true , then the frecnh language would have been gone many, many uyears ago before bill 101 was enacted.

    pierre, still waiting, still waiting, to hear how you own kind betrayed you and your separatists friends blamed the English

    Still waiting pierre, still waiting

    by the way how do you justify suppoting laws of the deep south in thw1950’s and 1960’s

    What abut your support for the laws of germany in the 1930’s and 1940’s ??

    Still waiting pierre, still waiting

35. 

    @PIERRE

    Merci for the response Pierre.

    I was not referring to eliminating other languages Pierre, I was speaking directly on the push to force upon a diverse society the separatist ideology. Language is merely part of the equation but not the driving force. Language in itself does not determine a way of viewing the world, that aspect of humanity is more influenced by culture in general and language is only part of the equation.

    Being part French (Parisian) I have never really been able to fully appreciate such a desire by the Quebecois to preserve the slang derivative and general bastardization of a language that Canadian
    French is.

    I believe in cultural preservation in the same way that I believe in the preservation of architecture. I place significant merit in maintaining that which explains and defines the how and why we are the way we are. We (people) are defined by what we do and why we do it, language is not the foundation of culture it is simply a means of recording events and communicating ideas Pierre.

    You allude to separatists embracing a two way street with regards to French and English, yet official bilingualism is not acceptable to separatists the way it exists in the rest of Canada. Hence the fear and protectionist label is well deserved and founded. You further state that the plight of Quebec is different than France because of the proximity of English speaking nations. Absolute nonsense Pierre. When did the United Kingdom and Ireland cease to be part of the European Union?

    Lastly Pierre, You stated that Canada and many other countries are proving that you can legislate protection of languages and cultures. Do you realize how ludicrous that statement is upon review? It makes as much sense as stating that you can legislate common sense ! Then following that up you stated that cultural diversity is the most important thing in establishing harmony in the civilized world. Really Pierre? Give me something, anything that would establish that the propaganda by the Canadian Government that diversification of cultures promotes unity has roots in logic. Make me believe that oil and water will mix. Make me understand how something designed to set things apart draws things together. It is differences that set us apart and that in itself is fine. What binds us together is the commonality of purpose and direction. Without a common goal you have division.

    What common goal do Quebec and the rest of Canada share? Perhaps if the people of this great county of ours cannot readily answer this rather simple question than the time has come to embrace change. Perhaps the answer to this very question is the passe-partout of our future.

    Pierre, what is your opinion ? I am interested and listening.
    to our future

    .

36. 

    @ pierre,

    I thought the aim of separatists was to SEPARATE. hence the term separatist

    IT MEANS THEY WANT THEIR OWMN COUNTRY pierre.

    comprends-tu ???

    Do we have to do everything for you pierre??

37. 

    Pierre wrote, “Québec is the only state on this continent that has a francophone majority.”

    AND

    “Québec and Canada and many other countries are proving that you can legislate protection of languages and cultures.”

    So here it is Pierre. A VERY SIMPLE question for you.

    Based on what you seem to be writing here I ask this…

    Is Quebec a “state?”
    OR
    Is Quebec “a country?”
    OR
    Is Quebec a “province?”

    Which is it Pierre?

38. 

    @ pierre,

    Can you please explain to me what an “irony” alert is ?

    What context were you trying to use it in ?

39. 

    @ david

    Re: Post march 8th. 10:30 p.m.

    As I stated earlier, you are indeed a beautiful writer.

    your post, is simply one of the best I have yet to read here.

    Your points are well articulated and clear, concise and logical.

    With all due respect however, I truly believe your remarks are wasted on pierre, although, I hope you succeed with him, when all of us have failed, to penetrate the brainwashing he has undergone.

    I am also glad to see that you are very astute, in that you have recognized the illogical and totally silly statements that pierre makes. You have correctly characterized them for what ther are, ludicrous.

    I really believe, he himself hasn’t a clue what he is talking about.

    I have repeatedly pointed out to him , that it was the quebecois leadership itself that was responsible for the English domination of quebec.

    He flatly refuses to even discuss this.

    if you have been following the posts here, you can see for yourself the futility of trying to logically explain to him
    ( pierre ) facts and historical information that contradicts his take on the issues.

    Stella is exactly the same.

    I look forward to your next post

40. 

    @PETER

    Thank you so much Peter for your kind words.

    None of us can claim to be without fault and dialogue will always I believe be paramount in understanding each other better. Keeping in mind that we do not have to necessarily agree with someone to understand their position and we can respect their right to an opinion albeit perhaps one that we do not share.

    I am interested in what Pierre has to say Peter, he has a perspective to share and I have more yet to learn.

    I am seventh generation Canadian, this is MY country and Quebec is part of OUR history. I would no more wish to lose a limb than I would want to lose ANY part of Canada. I have lived a life watching over zealous politicians and apathetic in name only Canadians bleed this DOMINION of the very pride that would otherwise give us the common purpose to all work as one. I am concerned and yes fearful of the future for all of us.

    Words wasted on Pierre? I think not! Pierre is educated and therefore the capacity to learn as do we all. Maybe I cannot change the world and maybe I cannot save my country but I sure as hell can fight for something that I believe in. Canada is so much more to me than earth, rock and water. I believe that simple
    pride in who we are and what we represent collectively is missing from our daily lives as Canadians. We need to focus on what has brought us all here and now to understand how we can be united in purpose going forward into the future, together. Build on our collective strengths and recognize our weaknesses.

    We should not be critical of each others opinions but rather focus that energy by encouraging others to participate and not be afraid of voicing theirs. This is not to say we cannot challenge each other for that Peter is the whole idea. After all it is dialogue that will bring about positive and meaningful change and purpose to all our lives. That, Peter, is my opinion on the matter.

    On the last note, I am glad that Stella has an opinion. She would be more a part of the problem if she had none!

41. 

    @ Peter
    Irony: Speech in which the meaning is the opposite of what is actually expressed.

42. 

    peter
    March 9, 2013 at 3:56 am

    “I have repeatedly pointed out to him , that it was the quebecois leadership itself that was responsible for the English domination of quebec.”

    “He flatly refuses to even discuss this.”

    Simply put INDOCTRINATION as well as systemic brainwashing by the Fascist State.
    Pierre is conflicted by his teachings(indoctrination) and the actual truth,he will at all cost defend the policies of this indoctrination .*******Smile*******

    Imagine Pierre actually addressing the truth to the policies?It would be akin to waking up some suppressed memory of a nightmarish scenario-but how much would he fight it as his indoctrination is what suppresses it?******smile*******

    Haven’t seen Stella on here to provide her insight backed up by ACTUAL facts….OMG IALMAOFD -that’s right reality check for me .*******smile*******

    Pierre and Stella -All we ask YOU is to provide some fact based information to back up your statement -Still waiting on it though ,I Don’t recall ANY fact based information ,but only propaganda!*******smile******

    Pierre and Stella :What little credibility you have left is quickly fading away!(yes I know Putting Stella and Pierre in the same sentence as credibility does seem it an oxymoron)oh yes *******smile******
    Your silence lately clearly indicates you are incapable of putting forth reliable data to back up your statements !*******smile********

43. 

    @Pierre:

    The trouble with you(s) is that, dispite the fact that you say that you want practical bilingualism you attack bilingualism where ever you see it…So you fool nobody.

    WOW..My statement that I support PRACTICAL bilingualism is lost on this man.

    I ATTACK THE TRUE NATURE OF “ENFORCED” BILINGUALISM AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

    No government in the world should legislate human communication.

    The word practical means that you supply the service where NUMBERS WARRANT. What part of that do you not understand?

    One country, one language, one flag…save billions

44. 

    @ David Oldham
    I’m impressed by your writing skills. Very good.

    Without a diversity of languages there would be much less diversity of culture, David. You say that you believe in diversity, but seem to want it to be shelved in the museums.

    Understand this. Not much, in this crazy world, is black or white. All is many shades of gray and one needs to understand this before he can understand anything else.
    I don’t know what the level of education, the francophone, you know, have, but generaly speaking, the quality of French spoken, in la Belle Province, though with a different accent to that of parisians, is very good, very international… Much better than it was before the quiet revolution and as good as the english that many anglos speak.

    You would be right, if you said that official bilingualism is is not acceptable to Québec as it is in the federal government (a government founded by two recognized people on a foundation of bilingualism). Check it out.The anglophone provinces, though they do not declare themselves officially anglophone, are de facto, anglophone.

    You may not be able to legislate common sense, David. Some writers, on this chat, prove that, over and over again… I’ve given this question much thought, and have come torealize that there are many kinds or levels of common sense. Ex. There is french common sense, there is english common sense, etc. And there is bigoted common sense.
    You can however legislate good sense and a majority of people will always recognize it, for what it is. That’s what the various governments, of this country have done, and it’s what all the courts, of this country, have upheld. Good sense.

    You may not have the oveture to see it but diversity of culture works very well, in the major canadians cities… As long as, the different cultures and ethnicities accept the language of the land, the occasional sight of the crucifix and a holiday card saying, Merry Christmas.

    Finally, and I’ve said it before. The ROC has the same right to separate Québec has.
    You and I may want it but the majority of Canadians is against it and so are the governments… Proof: To gain even more popularity Justin Trudeau said that he would require a 2/3’s majority vote to agree, to negociate Québec’s separation.

    Québecois and the rest of Canadians do have a common goal. That is, to live in a fair and just country where the two official languages are secure and can prosper. Biliagualism, where need be, but only where need be, insures that.
    I can see that you, don’t agree with this good sense fact.
    So, I hope that, like myself, all the writers, on this blog, do it because, they enjoy writing and maybe learn something…
    Nothing else will ever come of it.

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    @ David

    You are truly a breath of fresh air.

    No one here , who posts on a regular basis , to my knowledge, has ever, denied any one’s right to state their opinion, regardless of what that opinion may be.

    Respecting their opinion, when not based in fact or logic, deserves very little or no respect.

    When errors of fact or flaws of logic, are reasonably pointed out, and then dismissed or ignored repeatedly then I believe respect has not been earned or deserved.

    I respect the fact that you wish to hear what pierre has to say.
    we did too. But, he never, ever supports his opinion with facts

    If you go back into the prevuious posts from months ago, you will see his posts contained name calling and insults.

    Some of us responded in kind. He was also chastised and preventing from posting here because of his rants.

    He “appears” to be a little less agressive now, so he can show the admin of this site , that he will refrain form his past habits.

    But, he, himself has not changed.

    I believve as well, you are naive in that you make the analogy of not loosing a limb, being akin to not loosing a province within the Canadian federation, namely quebec.

    Would you prefer to loose that limb, if it were cancerous, and threatened to consume your entire body ulimately leading to death ?

    I presume, that you have followed quebec, and laws implemented over the last 50 years. I have live and worked in quebec from 1968 through until 1989 when I left.

    I have family still resideing there. No one, ever, to my knowledge, other than the separatists themselves, ever wnated quebec to leave. AS a dreamer, I still would prefer quebec in than out, as most who post here would.

    But David, I want a quebec in Canada, that respects “all canadians” equally, including their anglophone citizens.

    Today, and sadly in the future this is not the case, as their laws , particularly targetting the English, reflect this.

    As a nation, we have talked, and talked and talked some more , concerning this language issue. Canadians, got no where, and the francophones won at every juncture.

    To put it simply, the appeasement that the English showed, like Chamberlin’s prior to WW11 , got us nowhere: in fact we went backwards.

    You said “We need to focus on what has brought all here and to undrstand how we can all be united in purpose going forward in the future”

    These are wonderful sentiments, but , they are not realistic.

    David, all the talking that has happened in the last 50 years, has been tried over, and over again to no avail.

    There is nothing Canadian about quebec, other than the fact, they receive billion sof dollars from Canadian taxpayers, and that they partake in Name only in this dominion.

    Lets break this down

    1) quebec has its own immigration laws and procedures.

    2) quebec has passed language laws that are discriminatory and bias

    3) these laws prohibit one of CANADA’S FOUNDING LANGUAGES TO BE DESIGNATED AS ILLEGUAL, and restrictive in its use and sight.

    4) quebec, has also passed laws that are extremely restrictive regarding the rights in education. these restrictive laws, again target the English

    5) incidents of anti- Enhlish activity are becoming more frequent and more dangerous as a direct result of these anti- English laws.

    I refer here to the para medic refusing to speak English regarding the care of a very sick 2 year old child.

    In another incident, in St .lambert quebec, students were chastised for speaking English by thier peers and threatened.

    6) the current P.Q. governemnt has encouraged their francophone citizens to “report ” anything that may breech bill 101 to the L’offie de la langue francais . This pits citizen against citizen.

    it is divisive and extremely unhealthy for any socirty to partake in such an exercise.

    7) people are reported for the posting of signs in Englsih , that are no more of a threat to the English language that the klingons are from sTAR TREK

    David, I can go on and on here here, with insights I have witnessed and experienced first hand forever. I believe you get the point.

    As for where we came from. at the time of Confederation ,Sir John A. mcDonald had to push George – Etienne – Cartier very hard to convince quebec to enter into confederation.

    quebec accepting canda was not a lock. so, from the very start, this was not a marriage made in heaven

    Throughout our history, when Canada went up , quebec went down.

    when quebec went left, canada went right.

    In short, our entire history ( canada’s and quebec’s ) were constantly at odds. Conscription, receprocity and on and on…

    As I pointed out to pierre, the quebecois have blamed the Englsih for having all the power in quebec , and dominating them.

    Historically this is simplty just not true. Without going into all the details here, this you can do for yourself, many quebec premiers were offered assistance with health, and education as well as an offer by Canada’s Mackenzie King to industralize quebec in the first half of the 20th. century.

    quebec premiers, mainly tachereau and duplessis flatly refused and invited major British and U. S. companies to come to quebec with the inticement of very cheap labor and low coporate taxes.

    This is the reason that many quebeckers were kept on the farm and remained uneducated, it was done purposely, by quebec premiers.

    Since education was valued more in the English community in the french commubnity, , the reault was all responsible positions in business were given to the English

    L’Abbe groulx , a teacher, philospher and nationalist was one of the first to recognize this and he wote extensively on this imbalance.

    early separatist leadrs, Godin, Parizeau, Levesque, burns. Charron , were all influenced by groulx.

    As the 1960’s emerged the quiet revolution evolved.

    Now , and this a major flaw in french thinking:

    The revolutionaries always Blamed the English for their plight and lack of control in thier own province “maitre chez nous”

    In reality and historically, it was their own premiers that invited the English into quebec to take over. This is factual and rooted in history, if one takes the time to read and study, it will become clear that it was the quebecois primiers themselves that are to blame, not the English.

    So, David I hope I have addressed some of your comments in a positive manner. I also hope you understand that we want “equality” in “all ” of Canada, since I believe this is a pipe dream, quecbec should go and go quickly, get this divorce over with

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    @ pierre,

    Why do not answer my posts from march 4th. at 1:27p.m. and 8:11 p.m. pierre.

    Also in what “context” were you referring to regarding irony alert

    Still waiting pierre, still waiting

    Why are ( franophones ) leaving quebc because of bill 101

    Is anyone going to quebec beacuse of bill 101 ?

    How is it that your very own people , quebecois, tachereau ( that’s L.A. tachereau and not J.T , as you submitted) and Duplessis , betrayed the quebecois and you blamed this betrayal on the English ?

    Still waiting pierre, still waiting

    I see you are picking and choosing what questions to answer and what questions not to.

    this is typical of people who are factually bankrupt and inept at debate.

    still waiting pierre still waiting

47. 

    Without quotes from reputable sources Pierre your statements don’t hold water; as they are in fact nothing more than one man’s opinion not backed up from any intended intellectual peers.

    Do you and Stella not understand the notion of providing sources for your arguments? Again, your last statement indicates this. Your perspective is one thing – but quite another when it is backed up by research. Because it shows the natural transition from one person’s idea(s) to something generally accepted by a group through studies.

48. 

    @ david

    regarding pierre’s comments today @ 10:56

    David, good luck with learning anything from pierre’s most recent post.

    I rest my case as to what one can tolerate in the name of freedom of expression.

    Please translate for me , if you will what the hell he said.

    ” a government founded by two recognized people on a foundation of biingualism”

    The Canadian governemnt was never “founded” on the principles of bilingualism

    The anglophone provinces are defacto anglophone huh ????

    Levels of “common “sense” french, English and bigoted

    huh ????

    Good sense can be, “legislated” really ??

    The site of a crufix, come on , give me a break.

    this is a slap in the face to any other religious entities that dwell here

    pierre’s idea of proof: justin trudeau said he believes a two thirds majority is sufficient for quebec to break from Canada.

    Oh, I thought this was trudeau’s opinion, oh well , david, better you than me , if you can make out any sense with that one, good luck.

    Without quoting the entire last paragraph , David, can you please tell me what he said.

    David, I don’t know about you, and with all due respect, I believe I can’t learn anything from pierre.

    also, just remember, stella follows his lead, and again, with respect, I believe that I can learn nothing from either one of them

    but, yes I do respect their right to say what they want, even though it means making fools of themselves.

    I will defend thier right to the grave if they choose to make themselves look silly .

    sadly, they don’t see it, even when it is and has been pointed out to them by others here.

49. 

    @ cory,

    Post 12:01

    Again, Cory very well stated .

    Its is a shame that logic and common sense are not absorbed , in the same manner as nationalistic fevor is ,with the pierre’s ‘s and stella’s of the world

    Sad really !!!

50. 

    We cannot continue to argue here that the Province of Quebec is only anti-English. The fact remains that the English language is viewed as being the main challenge to a French-dominated Quebec. I think though that it’s important to note that other languages are also being oppressed in Quebec.

    ” In 1989 the premier of Quebec, Robert Bourassa, boasted that the Quebec government had “suspended fundamental liberties” by outlawing the use of English and other languages except French…”

    “You can’t put up an English billboard in Quebec (or a Polish billboard, for that matter). If you’re an English-speaking immigrant family living in Quebec, you can’t send your children to the English public schools. You can’t even put up an English-French bilingual billboard (or a Polish-French bilingual billboard): everything except unilingual French is verboten on billboards and in public transit vehicles and stations.”

    “The law is enforced more strictly against English than against Arabic or Greek or Chinese.”

    ” Canada recognizes both French and English as official languages. But Quebec discriminates openly against the one million people who speak any language other than French. All immigrant children, whether or not they speak English at home, are forced to go to French public elementary and high schools, and no French-speaking children are allowed into English public elementary or high schools. Not even road safety signs are bilingual. How many Americans or Canadians, even with high-school French, know what “virage protégé sur feu vert clingotant” means? It’s an important traffic safety sign*, but it keeps Quebec traffic safe only in French.”

    Taken from: http://www.citcan.ca/Main%20English%20page.htm