Imagine walking into a Service Ontario location and being served. Now imagine sitting in a comfortable chair and having a voice/video link with a government office. Now imagine speaking in one of say 5 main languages with a real person just like at a counter. Using technology to help people is not new, you can even get an app on your smart phone to detect where your metal property line marker is. Of course that app would not help to get your new license plates or help order a new health card but there is technology that can.
Surely with a bit of planning and will, we can create something to help more people get things done in a manner that concentrates on citizens needs. Some bank machines already provide several languages to use, there are 9-1-1 call centers that instantly connect to translation services that can cover 140 languages and we have had hearing/speech impaired interfaces for years.
Why can’t we have a central station in say Toronto with round the clock operators that can provide assistance in several languages? Assistance for health cards, some translation and real time support. If after a hundred plus years of language issues that no one seems ready to discuss and work towards solutions, the least we can do is help people that need it, is that not what multiculturism & bilingualism was about? Language duality is a wonderful concept but really, after 40 plus years of the Official Languages Act, 26 years of the Ontario French Languages Services Act and billions of dollars, the percentage of bilingual Canadians has remained stagnant outside of Quebec, but let’s put technology to work for the benefit of all Canadians even as a trial, each Ontario ministry already has a language coordinator, give them technology as well,and stop saying why we can’t do something, ask your MP and MPP how we can!
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stellabystarlight
August 14, 2013 at 1:46 pm
“Why are french rights in Ontario more important that english rights in Quebec?
THE ANSWER TO THAT NONSENSICAL QUESTION IS……..THEY ARE NOT.
iT IS A FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION. Not surprising you would ask such a silly question. Of course the freedom fighters think this is true because in their warped minds they truly believe they are being treated badly.”
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See admin. I told you they wouldn’t believe you about the signage either. lol
And the hyperbole to back up her false beliefs are hilarious.
Highlander August 14, 2013 at 9:39 am
“Well folks there it is that open mindedness …..ya does not surprise us ,but let me say this :I remain open-minded read opposing views and postings even your written diarrhea
-lives for lives (AKA-hungry).”
When you write “WELL FOLKS” who are you writing to? Are these “Folks” with you at your keyboard as your writing this? So all of you have agreed that you are not surprised. Who are the US you refer to? Did you have a meeting with these US that aren’t surprised? Or do you take upon yourself to assume that’s what they are thinking? Do they really exist or imaginary? How does it work.
Or are looking to score points by slandering any one that opposes your opinions. Why are you their PUBLIC DEFENDER? Why do you speak for other posters? Because from my perspective it is questionable behaviour that may require some professional help.
If you write as a self appointed group spokesman you should make it clear to all. It should be known that you’ve appointed yourself as the official PUBLIC DEFENDER. And your self appointment gives you the right to respond on their behalf. Do you really think that “THE FOLKS” need to have your opinion on what you think so they can form an opinion on what they think? Why do they need your input in defending their opinions? Very BIZARE..indeed.
“Now Edudyorlik do you ignore Lives for lies written Diarrhea ?”
It’s clear he doesn’t ignore my posts. If he didn’t have my posts to tear apart how could he justify his RANTS. There is no sign of an open mind when he extrapolates what he wants and spins into OBLIVION. He has no interest in Unfair Local Hiring
Practises in CORNWALL ONTARIO. And like I’ve previously posted, once you’ve read one they are all about you to the SAME disillusions of an ENGLISH SEPERATIST of CANADA.
stellabystarlight August 14, 2013 at 1:46 pm
.
“CANADA THE LAND OF THE FREE
WE WILL STAND ON GUARD FOR THEE
HIGHLANDER AND HIS TWO OR THREE
IF NOT HAPPY, CAN PI$$ UP A TREE.”
OMG Claire de Lune…..It’s my turn to give you a standing
OVATION….Looks like those poetry classes your taking are
paying off for ya. LOL..
3 CHEERS for you….!!! Is it usual behaviour for some posters
to asks the same redundant question over and over again. That’s
all it’s been for two weeks now. Every post is about the same old
thing. She doesn’t seem to understand English. When someone
answers the question it’s never to her likings. Is this usual?
@HFTT…..Is it usual behaviour for some posters
to asks the same redundant question over and over again. That’s
all it’s been for two weeks now.
For the last two weeks you say? Try the last two years. Even though one answers a question, they will say we did not answer because they don’t like the answer….LOL
Before we are asked again the question was: Why are french rights in Ontario more important that english rights in Quebec?
THEY AREN’T!!!!
I hope highlander quits saying we never answered.
@HFTT When one doesn’t understand BOUL. Decarie because it is written in French, I guess it is safe to say it is kind of unusual…….LOL
@HFTT…I majored in poetry……LMAO..
So because you say everything is hunky dory, then it is? Are you saying that if I drive across the province of Quebec tomorrow, there will be English signage on the TransCanada highway?
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stellabystarlight
August 14, 2013 at 4:05 pm
“Even though one answers a question, they will say we did not answer because they don’t like the answer”
Because one never answers questions. One deflects, spins, and insults.
stellabystarlight
August 14, 2013 at 4:05 pm
@HFTT When one doesn’t understand BOUL. Decarie because it is written in French, I guess it is safe to say it is kind of unusual…….LOL
You play the half-wit again. It wasn’t about streets or boulevards or exits, it was about temporary informational signage on the TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY. Laugh all you like, you are one who looks the fool, who persists on playing ignorant.
OMG Claire de Lune…..It’s my turn to give you a standing
OVATION….Looks like those poetry classes your taking are
paying off for ya. LOL..
OMG, i think i’m going to throw up.
CAUTION….! IF YOU’RE HUNGRY OR THIRSTY DO NOT READ THIS POST. IT REQUIRES YOUR FULL ATTENTION. GET WHAT YOU NEED FIRST AND THEN SETTLE IN.
A few years back a commission on the theme of “Reasonable Accommodations” for all Canadians Ethnic, Religious and Languages diversities took place. One of the events that prompted the formation of the commission was an incident that
took place at a Sugar Shack in northern Quebec.
At 12 noon, a group of Muslims attending the event approached the owner and requested that the dance floor in the “Cabane a Sucre” be liberated in order to allow the group to Pray. As to not be perceived as a Racist bigot nor discriminatory he accommodated their request.
The incident being over, the owner reflected on what had just taken place. He concluded that the Group’s request was unreasonable. In a Televised interview shortly after the incident, he stated his disappointment of the Muslim group and requested an apology.In his view the Muslim group being New Canadians had the Freedom to practice the Religion of their choice that is conveyed to them through the Canadian Constitution Bill of Rights.
He further explained his reasoning that prompted him to request an apology. He said the Constitutional Right of Freedom to practice their Religion did not allow them to seek from the rest of Canadians an unreasonable accommodation that infringed on the Rights of others. He said that he clearly made a mistake by accommodating such a request. He said if a group of Catholics had come to him with the same request, he would of had no difficulties in refusing the request. But, out of fear and ignorance of his Rights, he ceded to the request.
Why all of this, and what does it have to do with Multilingual Linguistic Services?
The same unreasonable accommodation is being proposed and advocated by some social rights activists. For a group of Canadians that are unable or unwilling to respect and comply
to Immigration Law. The obligation of compliance to an agreement, that is FREELY entered into by the candidates as a condition of Citizenship, must be enforced.
Saying NO to such an unreasonable accommodation request is not discriminatory nor racist. It upholds and respects the Laws of our Land and promotes UNITED inclusion.
For as long as Canada has been a Country, our forefathers have always promoted within Canadian Immigration Law, the clause of Linguistic requirement. Canadian Citizenship has always been contingent upon the candidates willingness to learn one of the two, original, official Languages of Canada.
Canada must be allowed to promote it’s Right as a Country to set and impose, Immigration requirements and enforce them. Anything short of enforcing the requirements, will jeopardize
Canada’s authority in maintaining our historical ability to promote FAIR, EQUITABLE and RESPECTFULL Ethnic Culture Diversity.
Canada’s history is built on it’s ability to bring many Ethnic Cultural Diversities together, and create a UNITED common thread. The consistent enforcement of the Immigration
Linguistic requirement that New Canadians commit to, must continue to be enforced.
There should be no compromise in defending the importance of this requirement. Our historical actions as a Country, to insure the enforcement of this requirement, has built a COMMON THREAD UNITING ALL CANADIANS. We do not as Canadians all share the same Cultural back grounds nor languages. This Linguistic requirement creates an element of EQUALITY and promotes inclusion for all Canadians to the COMMON use of Canada’s official languages.
The enforcement of Immigration Linguistic requirement is the corner stone that has achieved a Common Unified Canada. Suggesting that we waiver from the enforcement of this Law, and introduce a Multilingual Linguistic Service, will destroy the COMMON thread that has created for ALL CANADIANS an EQUAL opportunity.
Proponents of a Multilingual Linguistic Services justifies it’s need, due to an alleged increased amount of Canadians, that are unable or unwilling to conform to the Linguistic requirement of Immigration Law. The result of this lack of compliance, is creating
Canadians that are not able to communicate in one of the two required Languages of Canada.
If such a NEW service was utilized, the same Canadians that have not been compliant to their Citizenship agreement, leaving them unable to communicate in a Hospital, will require that ALL Canadian Public Services conform to offering Linguistic Services in 200 languages.
If they can’t be understood in a Hospital, the same equal problem will continue to occur when they need other Public Services. All Public Services will have to offer Linguistic Translation. Not just the Public Health Services.
All Canadian Public Services will now have to offer Languages Translation also Print. Public Services will be required to translate all informational documents and official Forms such as Revenue Canada, Medical Questionnaires etc.. They will have to be accessible in 200 Languages to accommodate Canadians inability to communicate in FRENCH or ENGLISH.
To consider this Linguistic Service to accommodate New Canadians that do not comply to Immigration Linguistic Law, would be short sighted. It would also cause irreparable damage to Canada’s authority in it’s capacity to enforce, it’s Immigration Linguistic Requirements.It would further contribute in destroying the COMMON THREAD that has UNITED all Canadians for 146 years.
The authors of this Multilingual Service propose and advocate this as a fair and feasible solution, under the guise of Language Fairness for All. They defend that the inclusion a such a Service would render obsolete, the need to hire bilingual Nursing Staff serving the French Canadian Population at present. This NEW approach would see the inclusion of services in 200 Languages for Canadians that do not or can not comply to the LAW.
Contrary to the USA, Canada does not mandate nor require through legislation Access for Limited English Proficiency (LEP) as is the Law in the US. Canada’s Legislation mandates that Public Services be accessible in the two, original, official Languages of Canada. And through it’s Immigration Linguistic Law, the
granting of Citizenship requires compliance from all New Canadians to the Linguistic agreement as a condition of acceptance.
What I’m CLEARLY SAYING is, Canadians not respecting for whatever excuse they invoke, the required conditions of their Citizenship Agreement should be held accountable for their
lack of compliance to the Immigration Laws, and their Oath to uphold Canadian Laws.
Avoiding to address the CAUSE of the problem that may be contributing to this inability or unwillingness to learn French or English will only further encourage non compliance to
Canadian Immigration Linguistic Law.
The inclusion of a Multilingual Linguistic Services would infringe, and impose on the rest of the French or English speaking Canadians, to concede and agree to an unreasonable accommodation request. This would be perceived as a lack of seriousness in Canada’s authority to enforce the requirements from ALL, who access through immigration the RIGHT of Canadian Citizenship.
@ Stella. Too funny! My favourite question so far is “Why did you call me a monster…..?”
It’s almost time for another freedom-fighting whiner to submit a new letter. The comments on this one seem to be drying up. Maybe Cory will pull through with one about a more recent encounter with a Francophone in Timmins, or a fresh sighting of a French language sign in northern Ontario.
bella its still 2 different things…
– I advise you to read bill 186 (Québec)
– Anglos in Québec have the privilege of attending more then One unilingual anglo university…Now I just wonder, how many unilingual franco universities do we have in ONtario…That’s right. NONE Va faire un tour au Québec Madame, tu vas voir que le service est excellent et les anglos ont toutes les ressources à leur disposition. And if I may borrow a line from stella, bella, *huggs*
Furtz wrote: Maybe Cory will pull through with one about a more recent encounter with a Francophone in Timmins, or a fresh sighting of a French language sign in northern Ontario.
@Furtz…….Haven’t you heard, cory started his own website for the English freedom fighters and guess what? He announced that he is going to be the moderator….LOL. Do you think we would be welcome to post there…..LMAO.
@HFTT…….BRAVO!!!! YOU DID IT AGAIN. Their heads will be spinning with that one.
This will make yorlik throw up even more.
Merci pour tout ton travail, c’est vraiment apprecier.
Richard, where did you get the idea that French is supposed to be available and have the type of standing throughout all of Canada that you believe?
You seem to be eluding to this as if French is supposed to be totally “equal” in all of Canada?
How did the initial law saying French was to be provided to the French by the federal government and the courts give you the idea that you should be able to have total French everywhere you stick your nose in this country?
oh and, does YOUR CANADA include Quebec?
Richard tremblay
August 14, 2013 at 7:40 pm
bella its still 2 different things…
It’s not two different things. I was talking about signage on the TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY. The question has nothing to do with street signs, universities, or where you buy your milk. The question is still concerning the TRANSCANADA HIGHWAY and it’s lack of English signage. I don’t have to read anything until you address the question as asked instead of what you want to tell me.
Have a beauty day!
Furtz
August 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Too funny! My favourite question so far is “Why did you call me a monster…..?”
Is it really your favourite? I’m honoured!
See this is where you lose folks furtzy. the pain of your insults is to great to continue. OH OUCH your words are so wounding.
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ps let me know the website you and your francofreaks are hangin at. Maybe I’ll swing on by and spread a little English cheer.
stellabystarlight August 14, 2013 at 9:32 pm
“@Furtz…….Haven’t you heard, cory started his own website for the English freedom fighters and guess what? He announced that he is going to be the moderator….LOL. Do you think we would be welcome to post there…..LMAO.”
You’ve got to be kidding Stella. There is no chance in he!!, that you’re going to post any comments on that website. First you have to be a MEMBER. They do not promote inclusion. It’s a private “MEMBERS ONLY” affair. I heard that you have to log in, supply three pieces of ID and a DNA sample before you can enter the restricted “FOR MEMBERS ONLY” zone. And then Cory the moderator has to link you up…only after you’ve signed the agreement to only post comments in favour of English Supremacy…..LOL..Good Luck…….With that Stella…
Something tells me Stella, that you’re sh^^t out of luck. Your best to remain here and continue entertaining us with your poetry and wise words. LOL…..
But nonetheless I’d like to be a fly, to witness all this Members only DEBATE. They DEBATE amongst themselves. WHAT A CONCEPT. Must be allot of hugging and applause. LOL……OMG….
Very political wording HFTT. “For as long as Canada has been a Country, our forefathers have always promoted within Canadian Immigration Law, the clause of Linguistic requirement. Canadian Citizenship has always been contingent upon the candidates willingness to learn one of the two, original, official Languages of Canada.”
Willingness to learn, sure, I bet they said that they were. The family reunification plan census numbers prove that it was not followed through.
There is no new service here, instead of having so many jobs classified bilingual, reduce the line ups at the counter with modern technology. With billions of dollars and 40 plus years we have not been made bilingual outside of Quebec, forcing it just pi$$es people off and I present stellas rhyming ability as proof.
@HFTT…..I think you scared them with your August 14, 2013 at 4:57 pm post. The freedom fighters don’t like reading facts from reliable sources, especially when they can’t rebut.
Best thing to do in that situation is run and hide rather then look like a fool. Like they say, if you can’t fight ’em or when things get too hot to handle…..run like hell. TOO FUNNY!!!!!
With their own freedom fighter site they can post all the nonsense they want without rebuttal. They will now be able to convince the world that CANADA IS A TERRIBLE COUNTRY. **SMILE**
Eric August 15, 2013 at 10:35 am
“Willingness to learn, sure, I bet they said that they were. The family reunification plan census numbers prove that it was not followed through.”
Eric,
If the census proves that it hasn’t been carried through it doesn’t make it any less a requirement. I’s the LAW. Where do I find this information that you are referring to. It might be helpful for those that have the responsibility of enforcing Linguistic requirement that UNITES Canadians through the common use Languages.
“There is no new service here, instead of having so many jobs classified bilingual, reduce the line ups at the counter with modern technology. With billions of dollars and 40 plus years we have not been made bilingual outside of Quebec, forcing it just pi$$es people off and I present stellas rhyming ability as proof.”
What? Of course this would be a new service. And IT’S NOT FREE. It has a cost. Lets not make it sound like this is a CHEAPER approach when no one has an actual cost for this additional service. This Multilingual Technology is presently no being utilized in our Canadian Public Institutions. This will have a cost and an
additional bureaucratic responsibility. Such is the case in the USA.
These jobs that are classified bilingual could be reduced extensively if we measuredactual USAGE rather than demographic expectation. HOW MANY ACTUALY USE FRENCH SERVICES. Making staff linguistic requirements to be measured on a more reflective analysis based on the ACTUAL USAGE of services from the French-speaking population of Canada.
Furtz August 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm
@ Stella. Too funny! My favourite question so far is “Why did you call me a monster…..?”
It’s almost time for another freedom-fighting whiner to submit a new letter. The comments on this one seem to be drying up. Maybe Cory will pull through with one about a more recent encounter with a Francophone in Timmins, or a fresh sighting of a French language sign in northern Ontario.
stellabystarlight August 14, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Furtz wrote: Maybe Cory will pull through with one about a more recent encounter with a Francophone in Timmins, or a fresh sighting of a French language sign in northern Ontario.
@Furtz…….Haven’t you heard, cory started his own website for the English freedom fighters and guess what? He announced that he is going to be the moderator….LOL. Do you think we would be welcome to post there…..LMAO.
Hungry for the Truth…. August 15, 2013 at 10:21 am
stellabystarlight August 14, 2013 at 9:32 pm
“@Furtz…….Haven’t you heard, cory started his own website for the English freedom fighters and guess what? He announced that he is going to be the moderator….LOL. Do you think we would be welcome to post there…..LMAO.”
You’ve got to be kidding Stella. There is no chance in he!!, that you’re going to post any comments on that website. First you have to be a MEMBER. They do not promote inclusion. It’s a private “MEMBERS ONLY” affair. I heard that you have to log in, supply three pieces of ID and a DNA sample before you can enter the restricted “FOR MEMBERS ONLY” zone. And then Cory the moderator has to link you up…only after you’ve signed the agreement to only post comments in favour of English Supremacy…..LOL..Good Luck…….With that Stella…
Something tells me Stella, that you’re sh^^t out of luck. Your best to remain here and continue entertaining us with your poetry and wise words. LOL…..
But nonetheless I’d like to be a fly, to witness all this Members only DEBATE. They DEBATE amongst themselves. WHAT A CONCEPT. Must be allot of hugging and applause. LOL……OMG….
Well, there you have it, folks. It seems that in my absence we now have all three of them attacking me. I guess I no longer have to submit anything to them to solicit/elicit a response.
My reasoning for posting this is to question admin. on policies of posting. Why bother to post this type of crap knowing fully that it will obviously elicit a negative response from me? And how does this stuff contribute to a solution to unfair hiring practices across Canada.
Really guys you need to find something better to do with your time rather than pester people who are working towards more fair hiring practices.
cory wrote: And how does this stuff contribute to a solution to unfair hiring practices across Canada
We are not concerned about hiring practises across Canada. We are more concerned with hiring practises closer to home where it affects our friends, family and neighbors.
I would have to say HFTT has contributed more then any freedom fighter could ever dream of contributing. He researched reliable and credible websites and shared the findings with everyone. It wasn’t just you tube videos from anti French sites.
@HFTT……I do have 3 pieces of ID, DNA is no problem, As for the link up…..yikes!!! I would have a hard time with signing the agreement. I will give it some thought…lol
Cory Cameron August 15, 2013 at 4:17 pm
“My reasoning for posting this is to question admin. on policies of posting. Why bother to post this type of crap knowing fully that it will obviously elicit a negative response from me? And how does this stuff contribute to a solution to unfair hiring practices across Canada.”
Funny you should ask that question about crappy posts. I had the same question. I posted a couple for your evaluation. Maybe you can see how they will have any positive contribution to unfair hiring practices across CANADA. CANADA? WHAT ? Happened to CORNWALL? Let me know if you see a benefit. Because I see none. But yet they have been allowed.
Highlander August 14, 2013 at 9:39 am
Hungry for the Truth….
August 13, 2013 at 1:57 pm
“I’m so glad to see you say that you also never read his rants. I was beginning to think I was the only one.”
Well folks there it is that open mindedness …..ya does not surprise us ,but let me say this :I remain open-minded read opposing views and postings even your written diarrhea-lives for lives (AKA-hungry)
Now Edudyorlik do you ignore Lives for lies written Diarrhea ?
edudyorlik August 14, 2013 at 2:09 pm
@ Highlander.
Lol Hahahahahaha… What a joke!!
It’s pretty obvious that hftT was just “stroking” his little BN admirer in saying that.
But that’s fine. I have a feeling he realizes just how stupid that “concept is” but at the same time he also knows
“the one” he is directing his
“hey kiddo, aren’t we a great team”
comment at … DOESN’T
Highlander asked, “Now Edudyorlik do you ignore Lives for lies written Diarrhea ?”
NO WAY Highlander.
I read every word. My mother always told me.
Keep your friend close, and your enemies EVEN CLOSER.
Or, as someone else once said, “KNOW THINE ENEMY.”
humm, wasn’t that Jesus?
“Really guys you need to find something better to do with your time rather than pester people who are working towards more fair hiring practices.” Cory Cameron
BELIEVE ME I’M TRYING. NOT AN EASY TASK WHEN THIS KIND OF CRAP COMES YOUR WAY. It could incite me to react.
¨Really guys you need to find something better to do with your time rather than pester people who are working towards more fair hiring practices.¨
So what is fair hiring practices ? To ask less ? For the CCH to neglect one third of the population. Or is it, just to please you, make every information available in english only just so you think its fair and cost effective.
KILROY wrote ¨Richard, where did you get the idea that French is supposed to be available and have the type of standing throughout all of Canada that you believe?
You seem to be eluding to this as if French is supposed to be totally “equal” in all of Canada?¨
What you said sounds totally discriminatory. Just because there are more anglos means that francophones deserve less. TU es un gars qui critique s’il y a une lettre de plus en français qu’en anglais. This is just being petty. Will you complain because you have to turn your cornflakes box in the morning to read the english ingredients ?
Et bien, quand dieu a donné la logique, tu étais absent.
Seriously, Cory. If your concern is what you believe are unfair hiring practices, why get sidetracked into rants about being spoken to in French, or seeing a French sign by the highway? You are living in northern Ontario where a large percentage of the population is Francophone. And I’d bet good money that those French folks have been there a lot longer than you have. Why do you live among French people if it causes you so much misery? What you have to figure out is which axe to grind. Is it unfair hiring practices, or is it having to share your space with Francophones?
Only one axe per person furtz? Is that one at a time or a lifelong policy of one ever?Thanks for the heads up. I’d hate to do too much.
Hello HFTT,
As I see it with you, I believe you had once asked if I was willing to work alongside with you on creating a more fair hiring methodology. I believe it was within the context of hiring at the CCH. I’ll tell you what…
The next time I’m in Cornwall I would be willing to work alongside you in this endeavour. I believe we could create a template as you termed it; something along the lines of a set of hiring criteria that could be worked out locally and perhaps used as a template for other hospitals and government agencies.
Now I’m serious about this too. I believe we could create a points-based system that we could submit during one of the hospital board meetings. So, are you on board? No pun intended. And you as well as Stella, Furtz and anyone else are definitely permitted to post on the LFA website. Please don’t make assumptions about this or that beforehand. I’d really more on deductive reasoning rather than a priori knowledge. All are welcome to contribute to the solution of unfair hiring practices.
Richard tremblay August 15, 2013 at 8:25 pm
” So what is fair hiring practices ? To ask less ? For the CCH to neglect one third of the population.”
20% does not equal 1/3 there Richard but equals 50% bilingual hires at the hospital and 65% federally and provincialy bilingual..
Representation by population is fair and equitable.
Oh let’s not forget 100% bilingual health unit ,CCAC 80 % Bilingual.
This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Furtz August 15, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Furtz their is an even larger English population in Quebec no English signs ….but to you what does that matter its fight for French rights screw the English rights.
HFTT, je pense qu’ils ont besoin de toi. Ils ne savent pas quoi faire et comment si prendre pour le faire. Alors ils pouront prendre tout le credit.
Personellement j’ai mes doutes de leur agenda depuis que galganov sans est melee.
Richard wrote, “Will you complain because you have to turn your cornflakes box in the morning to read the english ingredients ?”
Get it straight Richard. It is the French that “constantly COMPLAIN” and want the French to be LARGER, ON TOP and to the dominant left side.
Imagine that. The French want French to be — on top, to the dominant left and LARGER — in Quebec — and yet cannot even respect the reverse when dealing outside of that ethnocentric little French ONLY “prison for Anglo Canadians” they have created over there in la Belle Province.
— Belle province. Yeah right!! the license plates there sure reflect that state of being, don’t they? —
Ontario — Yours to discover — forward looking — the future is bright
Quebec — Je Me Souviens — whining, whimpering, living in the past.
IT SAY’S it all…
In case you conveniently forgot Canada is a this that was ceded to the British / English by France after the 1759 war because France didn’t want anything to do with CANADA after they were — DEFEATED — in 1759.
Oh, and btw, FOR YOUR INFORMATION… The –fact — that French is even on “ALL PRODUCTS” in Canada is because the English majority allowed it to be. Unlike the French who are ethnocentric and WANT FRENCH ONLY the English MAJORITY wanted to show the French that they were fair and “accommodating.” Much more than i can say for what the French teach us (and the whole world) about their kind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udsO_u_DSs8&hd=1
– since 1977 IT’S BEEN ILLEGAL for cities in Quebec to communicate with their residents in English.
** Oh but, i am sure you will IGNORE or make excuses for THIS — FACT —
THEY REMOVE “the other language” — ANY OTHER LANGUAGES — (think pasta) — or as their education minister refers to English as “the foreign language” which btw, in case you haven’t heard or didn’t noticed (or that POS education minister hasn’t noticed) is the freakin common language of the VERY COUNTRY she lays her head down in every night a country BTW, that pays handsomely so that Quebec does not turn into a third world province/ “country.”
Have you checked their debt lately ? Does INCREASES NEARLY 20 million dollars a day ring a bell?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS1BghY0MW4&hd=1 Debt – comparing the province of Quebec to other “countries”
http://youtu.be/6AIg11uJw94?t=4m19s One of your own telling it like it is.
Maybe your buddy lives for lies can check this DEBT out for you. Oh wait. That would be too embarrassing because it’s FACT.
You people need to read SOME REAL history and not the cr@p they teach in those French only schools where they don’t allow (they actually punish) students for speaking English in the hallways in.
Oh, that’s’ right. They are –AFRAID — they will loose their language and culture. “A feeling of insecurity in that province” based on “False history.”
http://youtu.be/6AIg11uJw94?t=2m5s
@hftT
You will be happy (VERY happy i am sure) to know that — You were right — I needed a full coffee to get through that long winded diatribe of yours which turned out to be a colossal waste of my time. Gee thanks… But, I imagine it impressed Stella so that’s what counts eh ?
Nothing in there that wasn’t pretty much common knowledge as much of it was televised and talked about incessantly at THAT TIME. You could have simply used these two lines and said about the same thing.
— 1) Canada MUST have rules as a country.
— 2) No expense should be spared by the majority Anglos in Canada as the French MUST BE accommodated at all costs. Furthermore, this accommodation MUST USE REAL FRENCH PEOPLE and not automated machines. —
The accommodation for the French —
(which btw, within their arrogance is something they show no respectful desire to do for anyone else, believing that they are the ONLY ONES THAT deserve such a thing)
— WAS ORIGINALLY supposed to be — ONLY — within the federal institutions and the courts but, it is clear now that the French / you want this accommodation to be in every fiber and every corner of Canada.
All i can do is quote my 100% PURE French Canadian mother when she warned, “give them an inch and they will take a mile.”
Boy, did she have them pegged 😉 Love ya mom 🙂
The French (generally speaking) are like the bully that was defeated in the school yard who then whimpers and and cries to be allowed to live. So, instead of running them through with his sword, the victor allowed to them to survive only to have them get up and stab him in the back as he is walking away.
Some lesson the French themselves have taught everyone there eh?
A lying CHEAT will ALWAYS be a lying CHEAT (corruption in Quebec ring a bell) and some races have ZERO humility in defeat.
In other words the French have taught EVERYONE (by their own actions) that when it comes right down to it, (generally speaking) when dealing with the French from a position of victory one should — NEVER — GIVE such a RACE a second chance.
Ah but, remember to have a good backstabbing kind of day eh 🙂
PS: HftT as for “following your agenda” and ONLY discussing what you wish to discuss. Sorry but, i think i will do as i please and discuss the larger issue of how my fellow Canadians are being treated like second class citizens in their own country and their federal government is DOING NOTHING to help them as they they pay their taxes.
And, also how this “Frenchification” of Canada must be brought to a firm STOP … SOON.
But, carry on as you please and remember, you can still have YOUR OWN “do it my way” kind of day eh. 🙂
Richard tremblay August 15, 2013 at 8:25 pm
“What you said sounds totally discriminatory. Just because there are more anglos means that francophones deserve less.”
It’s been suggested that the existence of bilingual staff requirements seems to be exaggerated. Take a look at Stats Can numbers. It’s almost 50/50. More anglos? Not by much in this region.
The EOHU and CCAC is 80% and 100% bilingual based on it’s EXPECTED delivery of service to be reflective of representation by population basis. The EOHU and CCAC delivers services that covers Stormont, Dundas, Glengarry, Prescott, Russell and the City of Cornwall. Which encompasses the following geographical demographics.
Statistical data source: Stats Canada 2011 census
Winchester, Ontario. 2,350
English- 2,145 French- 130
Alexandria, Ontario. 3,020
English- 1,400 French – 1,530
Casselman, Ontario.3,435
English- 590 French- 2,805
Rockland, Ontario. 22,390
English- 7,145 French- 14,630
Hawkesbury, Ontario. -11,201
English- 1,915 French- 8,280
Cornwall, Ontario. 46,890
English-32, 655 French- 11,675
TOTAL POPULATION 84,100
French speaking Clients 39,050
English speaking Clients 45,050
Again what is not known is the amount of ACTUAL USAGE
AND DELIVERY OF FRENCH SERVICES. The decision to hire
bilingual staff is is based on the EXPECTED based on number of
french-speaking demographers. Not on actual USAGE and DELIVERY of services. As it should. It would be more reflective to the population.
This does not count in villages like Long Sault, Lancaster,
Green Valley, St Albert, etc…..just to mention a few.
Kilroy is certainly up front with his blatant racism. That will sure help the language fairness cause.
on August 15, 2013 at 9:16 pm Furtz Wrote,
“Seriously, Cory. If your concern is what you believe are unfair hiring practices, why get sidetracked into rants about being spoken to in French, or seeing a French sign by the highway? You are living in northern Ontario where a large percentage of the population is Francophone. And I’d bet good money that those French folks have been there a lot longer than you have. Why do you live among French people if it causes you so much misery? What you have to figure out is which axe to grind. Is it unfair hiring practices, or is it having to share your space with Francophones?”
TRANSLATION:
“Seriously, Cory. If your concern is what you believe are unfair hiring practices, why PAY ANY attention TO ANYTHING ELSE THE FRENCH ARE DOING. JUST… AND AH, NEVER MIND. I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING 🙂
Or seeing a French sign IN “YOUR TOWN” WHICH HAPPENS TO BE ON THE “ONTARIO” SIDE OF THE BOARDER by the highway? DON’T CONCERN YOURSELF WITH THESE THINGS. THE FRENCH ARE BUSY “MAKING THINGS “better” or should i say making things “THEIR WAY.” IT’S NOT FOR YOUR CONCERN. What was that? Oh no there are NO English signs allowed in Quebec. Forget that. If you do we will bitch and whine and complain till the cows come home.
You are living in “northern Ontario” where a large percentage of the population is Francophone. isn’t that just so handy for us. We had a large portion of Anglo’s in Quebec at one time too but we just made things so darn difficult for them MOST just moved away 🙂
And just liek those English folks that “used to be in Quebec” I’d bet good money that those French folks in eastern Ontario have been there a lot longer than you have.
UNLIKE QUEBEC WHERE THE ENGLISH HAVE ZERO RIGHTS AND ITS FRENCH ONLY AND FRENCH DOMINANT AND TO HELL WITH THE ENGLISH. Why do THOSE DARN ENGLISH LIVE AMONGST THE FRENCH IN QUEBEC? WHY DON’T THEY ALL JUST BUZZ OFF AND MOVE TO “WESTERN” ONTARIO BECAUSE THERE ARE FRENCH SIGNS IN THE EASTERN ONTARIO PARTS AS WE ARE TAKING OVER THERE TOO SO WESTERN ONTARIO IS A GOOD “TEMPORARY” PLACE FOR THEM FOR NOW UNTIL WE “GET THERE” IN A FEW YEARS.
What you have to figure out is which axe to grind. WHETHER YOU WANT TO TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE FRENCH TAKING OVER QUEBEC OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO SIT BY AND WAIT TO SEE HOW LONG IT IS BEFORE EASTERN ONTARIO IS TAKEN OVER AS WELL SO THAT THEY CAN THEN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF TAKING OVER WESTERN ONTARIO TOO.”
You folks are such a joke.
It’s EVERYTHING YOUR WAY eh? And you’re still trying to convince the English to sit idly by and accept what is going on.
What was that old expression. We (the English) should all just “take a Valium” and relax.
Uh huh… Nope. I am not feeling like keepin my mouth shut and relaxin any longer .. .You Cory?
I agree Edudyorlik 110%
The issue is nation wide, from coast to coast!
Bilingual today & French only tomorrow!
@ Bella
Great question!
If Canada has 2 Official Languages, wth are the signs on Trans Canada highway, not bilingual in Quebec. …
So who’s going to democratic rights rally in Campton, NB
Nov.2 ?
I do bring out the best or worst in people though, don’t I, edudyorlik?
I seem to have a way of bringing out that, ‘Je me Souviens’ attitude some may have….
Which brings me to ask the question:
“What exactly is it that you remember?”
“And why?”
And to what historical reference is that mean?
And why not something like,
“Keep it beautiful.”
Cory Cameron August 16, 2013 at 8:35 am
“I believe you had once asked if I was willing to work alongside with you on creating a more fair hiring methodology. I believe it was within the context of hiring at the CCH. I’ll tell you what…”
I believe that you made the suggestion that we could join forces on the issue of local unfair hiring practice.
“Hey, maybe we could approach something like this (you and I) and work on a template much as you suggested and approach the CCH board for the issue of full-time nurse hires. After all, the template was a great idea and I would like to give credit where credit is due!” Cory Cameron August 3, 2013 at 2:06 pm
In order for me to agree to work with you I would need some clarification as to who “WE” (you and I) would be representing. Would you be seeking a meeting with the Board of Directors of CCH as an official board member of LFA? Or as a citizen?
Would your efforts to bring change be endorsed by others? Or will it have to debated? I have no intent to further debate what I believe is a strong argument for change. This should not reach Board of Directors level, before a meeting with the local Unions
representatives. The Unions involvement is key to the success of this venture.
At this point I have been working on a presentation to support my claims for change. I am well prepared to attempt this on my own, but always welcome a team effort to accomplish this much needed reversal of practices. I do not want the message to be
blurred and regarded as radical. To advocate that French be banned from our Country as a solution to improve Unfair hiring practice is a bit extreme. And I’m certain would not be taken seriously as an agenda that should contain attainable realistic local objectives.
Let me know.
BRAVO HFTT!!!!! Like they say, statistics don’t lie when taken from a reputable website. Your post was interesting indeed and I must say far from what the freedom fighters keep saying. HFTT…..it never fails, time and time again you prove them wrong.
EL asked: So who’s going to democratic rights rally in Campton, NB Nov.2 ?
I rented three buses for the event……I am so excited!!! Meeting the MILLIONS of freedom fighters from across this nation…….imagine. Just the thought of it gives me a euphoric sense of freedom, peace and joy!!!!
Furtz (who just happens to be an instigator) wrote,
August 16, 2013 at 12:50 pm
“Kilroy is certainly up front with his blatant racism. That will sure help the language fairness cause.”
It’s pretty darn SAD when a person or a group that stands on the side of unconstitutional laws like bill 22, 178, 101 and now bill 14 can actually have the nerve to imply that those standing up against these laws and standing up for the English majority language in their own country can have such ridicules garbage accusations thrown at them by such inconsequential followers of the French mantra that say’s we can discriminate against English people in a province in Canada despite the fact that it is ONLY a province and we are only a minority.
And, when someone stands up against this French bullying and the French attempts to have French ONLY everywhere inside and outside the province of Quebec we just attempt to label them as a racist. NICE !!!
In the old days your clan used the word bigot (quite effectively, but that was then).
Now EVERYONE has grown wise to this “tactic” as anyone can clearly tell your accusations are completely baseless.
There is NOTHING WRONG WITH standing up for the English language and the English culture in a country where the French have proven time and time again (by the own doing) that they want nothing to do with harmony, inclusiveness and bilingualism and their own ACTUAL RACISM in that province because …
unlike the English who have bent and accommodated and given in and tried time and time again,
— TO THEM — it’s NOT about inclusiveness …
It’s all about French ONLY.
Always has been and likely always will be because they believe that English is evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPk2sijbgs
Because the Anglo freedom-fighters keep bringing up General Montcalm’s defeat to bolster their argument that they should prevail today, I have to offer this. England and France started warring with each other in 1066, and they kept it up for about eight hundred years. That’s how the aristocracy in both countries kept themselves amused. They didn’t have TV back then. Towards the end of this period of bloodshed and insanity, England and France found themselves battling each other in far off places like North America. In 1759 the English prevailed in a battle near Quebec City. Fast forward a hundred and eight years to 1867 when Canada was born. And fast forward again another hundred and forty-six years to today. And today we have people like Kilroy, and other freedom fighters, saying that French-Canadians should be grovelling, and “know their place” because General Wolfe won a battle 254 rears ago.
It would be almost funny if these freedom-fighters weren’t serious.
“years ago”
Yes Furtz, and i will KEEP bolstering the “idea” as you called it that the British WON and DEFEATED the French.
The critical part you seem to have left out is the agreement signed where by France when they ceded ALL OF CANADA to the British. Catch that ALL OF CANADA to the British.
That’s the important part because everything after that was the British / English giving in to the incessant whining (still to this day) of the French wanting MORE AND MORE AND MORE …
“What does Quebec want? MORE!! You know”
http://youtu.be/3kNcFyBofC4?t=18s
Cute how you try to wave it off as they were just entertaining themselves. I have a strong feeling had France won and the British / English were the ones clawing their way back the way the French are trying now YOU and all of the gang here and everywhere would be spare no efforts in reminding EVERYONE as LOUDLY as POSSIBLE that they won.
But seeing as they lost they want to forget that little inconvenient TRUTH and just brush it aside at every opportunity.
Oh and, “when Canada WAS BORN in 1867” as you so nicely put it, it was by an act of THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT NOT that of France.
An entity that the French refuse to swear allegiance to when being sworn in as ministers in their own CANADIAN government. If that is not treasonous then i don’t know what is.
Yeah, the British (under General Wolfe) used a strategy and tactic to gain victory that is still talked about to this day in circles that revel in these kinds of masterful plans and what do the French “so called Canadians” do? They refuse to allow a statue on the Plains of Abraham where this leader fought and won that battle.
Once again, had it been France that won and the English were refusing to erect a statue in honor of their victory it would be a blood bath.
The French (believing they have some claim to that land which again, was ceded by France to the British) sure have a lot of gall to refuse such a thing.
What’s even more sad that our federal government doesn’t stand up to these bullies and make it so. But, once again, the English allow the French to “Get their way” because they are a bunch of whiners.
Say what you will Furtz.
But there are a few things that are ABSOLUTE FACT… AND YOU CANNOT change them. NONE of YOU can change these things.
1) The British won
2) The French lost
and
3) France didn’t want Canada so France ceded ALL OF THIS LAND to the British. It was only later that the British made deals (yet again showing that they were the ones that were “trying” and willing to accommodate) with the French that remained in Canada.
Sadly the English through the years tried and tried and tried to help the French feel part of Canada. Allowing all products to be labeled in French even though the French population back in the day was maybe 2-4% and in many places that were staring at their French box of Corn Flakes has 0.0% French but yet they had that French staring them in the face.
Matter of fact right up to the last referendum the English were STILL trying to appease the French and make them feel welcome and help them feel part of the big picture and THROUGH ALL THAT TIME of the English giving and giving, what did the French do? take and take and take with no REAL desire what so ever to share.
To the French it was always, and still is, French on top, first, French first and French ONLY.
But, be sure to have a “it would almost be funny” had the French won kinda day eh 🙂
Some words got chopped off this when i pasted it … It should have read…
TRANSLATION: (of what Furtz is really saying to Cory)
“Seriously, Cory. If your concern is what you believe are unfair hiring practices, why PAY ANY attention TO ANYTHING ELSE THE FRENCH ARE DOING. JUST what they want to do <> Don’t concern yourself with them taking over here and… AH, NEVER MIND. I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING :-)”
Winchester, Ontario. 2,350
English- 2,145 French- 130
Alexandria, Ontario. 3,020
English- 1,400 French – 1,530
Casselman, Ontario.3,435
English- 590 French- 2,805
Rockland, Ontario. 22,390
English- 7,145 French- 14,630
Hawkesbury, Ontario. -11,201
English- 1,915 French- 8,280
Cornwall, Ontario. 46,890
English-32, 655 French- 11,675
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah…
QUEBEC
TOTAL French speaking Clients *****
TOTAL ENGLISH — Who cares we won’t accommodate them anyways..
@furtz
Today the language commissionaire said that there is not enough
bilingual Judges to serve the Francophones in Canada. The English Judges are all up in the air about it. There asking that
Quebec separates. Apparently one had a chance to read one of the posts by none other than Kilroy and agreed with his mother’s
competent authority on the subject of the “FRENCH PURE LAINE.” “You give them an inch of and they take a mile.” So now all Judges have to learn French. What do ya think about that?
@Stella, How much for your bus tickets. Are you serving “Tourtieres” or “Poutins”. Can I drive a only French on my bus. SEPERATIST if it’s possible.
Bravo HftT, bravo… You have managed yet again to prove that THE TRUTH is just that
:-)…………………………………………………………..:-)
:-)…………………………………………………………..:-)
:-)…………………….THE TRUTH…………………….:-)
:-)…………………………………………………………..:-)
:-)…………………………………………………………..:-)
Nothing more to do than make silly remarks and attack the
TRUTH.
Well done hftT.
Catch that EVERYONE : Wha ha ha ha ha ha Lol…
Substance down the drain. It is / was — ALL JUST A FACADE —
HFTT: @Stella, How much for your bus tickets. Are you serving “Tourtieres” or “Poutins”. Can I drive a only French on my bus. SEPERATIST if it’s possible
Not to worry…..no English on the bus. We can not mix the two because they don’t like the French. The freedom fighters keep bringing up civil war, the last thing we need is for the war to start on the bus. If there is extra room, I may decide to let some on but THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE BACK OF THE BUS.
It should come as no surprise to them because when they were picketing the CCH, they had a cardboard bus that read ENGLISH TO THE BACK OF THE BUS.
Le menu: Des pattes de cochons LOL
As for the price……the French get on free.
How about we all, individually, demand our government(s) fix this. The programs and changes that were put in years ago have not been checked to see a few things. Mostly if they are still needed and certainly, what change is needed. Are you not tired of the division and what is going on in your own country? The cost in dollars, finding work and to families?
This first one (which is where Ontario is going for the second link) looks like it is creating fairness but it just causes more people to get away with crap and cost more. http://www.onefamilylaw.ca/en/frenchlanguageservices/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/08/14/judge-declares-mistrial-after-court-fails-to-find-more-than-two-french-speaking-jurors-for-sexual-touching-trial/