Harry Valentine on Fluoride in Cornwall Ontario Water – FEB 21, 2016 #LTE

A news item appeared on Feb 19 that Cornwall City Councillor Andre Rivette wants fluoride reintroduced into Cornwall municipal water, citing comments from the medical officer of health that fluoride-free Calgary recorded an increase in childhood dental cavities. The news media reported that University of Calgary recently conducted a study on childhood dental cavities in BOTH Edmonton and Calgary, involving grade-2 level children. The study advised that “BOTH cities recorded dramatic increases in the occurrence of childhood dental cavities” and Edmonton actually ADDS fluoride to their drinking water.

Perhaps Councillor Rivette and his friends at the EOHU may care to explain the dramatic increase in dental cavities in fluoridating Edmonton!! The news media in fact reported on it!!

Historically, it is a known fact that somewhere between kids starting school and their pre-teen years, Mother Nature causes their ‘baby teeth’ to fall out, replaced by permanent teeth. Grade-2 kids are at an age where their ‘baby’ teeth begin to fall out. In the process, the human body reduces the amount of nutrients and minerals to ‘baby’ teeth that are on the way out. So it is perhaps a foregone conclusion that despite Edmonton adding fluoride to their city water, that grade-2 level children’s ‘baby’ teeth could have cavities prior to falling out.

Perhaps there’s not enough fluoride in the toothpaste, or perhaps people are not applying sufficient fluoridated toothpaste to their teeth at high enough frequency. However, tubes of fluoridated toothpaste carry a warning, ‘DO NOT SWALLOW’.

While Councillor Rivette is panicking about Calgary, Vancouver gave up fluoridated city water over 30-years ago . . .  and over the past 20-years has recorded an identical rate of childhood dental cavities as fluoridating Toronto. With regard to Councillor Rivette seeking to reinstate hydrofluorosilicic acid into Cornwall city water, let us recall that a concerned citizen paid a fee to invoke the Freedom of Information Act to legally require Health Canada to release data attesting to the safety and dental effectiveness of hydrofluorosilicic acid. CFN actually carried a link to the reply from Health Canada that they had zero information on file to attest either the safety or dental effectiveness of hydrofluorosilicic acid. Prior to that reply going public, Cornwall’s medical officer of health made statement about the compound to Cornwall City Council.

However, a minority of Cornwall City Council advised that they will only take directives on the fluoride matter from the medical officer of health, perhaps implying that with them, a statement from Health Canada obtained under the freedom of information act in regard to hydrofluorosilicic acid would be of zero relevance, despite Health Canada being unable to directly provide information to attest to the dental effectiveness of hydrofluorosilicic acid. If Health Canada is unable to provide such information, neither can the medical officer of health.

The last time the fluoride issue came up in Cornwall, the issue of fluoride pollution from Massena aluminum smelters also came up and was dismissed on public radio by a representative from EOHU that “it occurred in another century!” However, study dating from 2008 and commissioned by the Mohawk Council of Akwesasne revealed fluoride hotspots within a 20-km radius of the aluminum smelters . . . except zero information about fluoride pollution at City of Cornwall, see:

http://www.srmtenv.org/web_docs/2008/FluorideReportWholeDocument12152008.pdf

 

The intake for Cornwall’s municipal water is located right across from an aluminum smelter and it is unknown as to the amount of fluoride that entered Cornwall’s water supply at the intake pipe. Except that both Cornwall and the Mohawk region record a very high rate of disease that could be caused by excess fluoride intake.





85 Responses to "Harry Valentine on Fluoride in Cornwall Ontario Water – FEB 21, 2016 #LTE"

  1. mary bray   February 21, 2016 at 6:28 AM

    I was happy to find out that here in Kingston, they had removed the fluoride long before we moved here.I think that toothpaste with fluoride & proper mouth care & nutrition are enough plus would be cheaper for the city

  2. Gerry   February 21, 2016 at 9:03 AM

    Most of the scientific studies have shown that fluoridated water reduces cavities in the teeth of children, and that the benefits of the fluoride out-way any real or perceived risks.
    Just a point: why would you want to swallow toothpaste? My un-fluoridated toothpaste also warns “do not swallow”, so it’s not because of the fluoride.

  3. Donna   February 21, 2016 at 9:34 AM

    Gerry does your non flouridated toothpaste carrageenan in it. That is also a health
    risk. It has been associated to stomach cancer.

  4. Hugger1   February 21, 2016 at 9:43 AM

    I’m just tired of this drawn out debate. I just wish city council would decide this once and for all.

  5. jwillie6   February 21, 2016 at 10:05 AM

    The fluoride that is most likely added to your water supply, is really hydrofluorosilicic acid in a “hazardous waste liquor” which also contains lead, mercury, beryllium, radioactive material, arsenic and other pollutants. It is certainly no wonder that it lowers children’s IQ and causes brain problems in adults.

    In the U.S., 74% are drinking fluoridated water (more than the rest of the world combined).
    Less than 4% of the world and 3% of Europe are still adding fluoride to public water supplies.

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  7. Furtz   February 21, 2016 at 10:50 AM

    jwillie6… That might explain why Donald Trump is leading in the GOP race.

  8. Randy Johnson   February 21, 2016 at 12:53 PM

    RE: jwillie6 –

    This anti-F activist copies/pastes unsupported comments behind several pseudonyms. He/She/It apparently can’t stand to face reality. The content of the posts certainly consists of cherry-picked studies that have been refuted by experts as well as complete fabrications meant to try and scare people into their camp of self-inflicted fear.

    Ask anti-F activists to explain why over 100 national and international scientific and health organizations (and their thousands of representatives) continue to support fluoridation as a safe and effective public health initiative. Ask anti-F activists to list ANY credible scientific or health organization that supports their agenda.

    The answers to those two questions should convince anyone who has not already bought into the anti-F fear-laced propaganda that the rational conclusion to the fluoridation issue is to follow the consensus of experts that fluoridation is safe and effective.

  9. Randy Johnson   February 21, 2016 at 1:19 PM

    In this article Harry Valentine demonstrates all the characteristics of an anti-F activist – misrepresenting legitimate evidence and cherry-picking alleged evidence from studies that have been rejected by experts to support his position.

    Specifically, he implies that fluoridation is a “magic bullet” that should stop all dental decay – it is not – there are many other causes of decay that were covered in the study. He seems not to understand the concept that dose makes the poison – “do not swallow” warnings apply to toothpaste but not fluoridated water because toothpaste has far higher concentrations of fluoride ions – it would not be advisable to swallow a full jar of vitamins or aspirin either.

    Even the study he references has nothing to do with optimally fluoridated water and it actually supports fluoridation – read if for yourself.

    “Fluoride is well known for its use in the prevention of tooth decay, and it is regularly added to tap water by municipalities for this reason.”

    “Concentrations of fluoride measured in water used to water community gardens are presented in Exhibits 3-6 and 3-7. Water concentrations of fluoride ranged from 0.2 mg/L to 2.0 mg/L, were in the range expected given normal water fluoridation concentrations, and were all below the 4.0 mg/L threshold suggested to be safe for direct consumption by EPA (EPA 2007a).”

    “Consumption of vegetables at this rate, in conjunction with ingestion of fluoridated water at a concentration of 2.0 ppm leads to a daily dose for a 70 kg adult of 0.077 mg fluoride/kg/day, which is below the safe level of 0.12 mg fluoride/kg/day indicated by EPA.”

  10. jules   February 21, 2016 at 1:48 PM

    j.Willie said everything right on and the fluoride that is added to the drinking water is poison and has absolutely nothing at all to do with cavities in teeth. If children and adults brushed their teeth and took care of their nutrition instead of eating junk then there would be very few cavities.

    Hitler used fluoride on the Jews during WWII to keep them calm before he executed them. If fluoride was used for preserving their teeth he would have used it everywhere. Fluoride is a poison and it is even marked on the package not to swallow it and if swallowed to contact poison control. André Rivette is not qualified at all to give any opinion on health issues and many other things. André is a good person and a good leader but is not qualified in the medical field or any other field.

  11. jules   February 21, 2016 at 2:00 PM

    Furtz I support “The Donald” Trump compared to the others. Jeb Bush resigned and I know why 911. Jeb is mighty scared and you can see all the cockroaches run. Trump is the best of the lot and not perfect none of them are but he is the best of the bunch and I hope that he gets to be president. I support most of what he says – maybe close to everything. He is on the money.

  12. Randy Johnson   February 21, 2016 at 2:47 PM

    jules – Hitler and fluoride??? Provide legitimate evidence to support your outlandish claim.

    A person who is a good leader but does not have scientific experience relies on legitimate scientific expertise to guide their decision making – not on outlier groups, like the anti-F activists, that cherry-pick and distort ‘evidence’ to support their self-inflicted paranoia.

  13. jwillie6   February 21, 2016 at 2:54 PM

    Distributing any drug like fluoride in drinking water is the most expensive and wasteful method. All Civil Engineers and water managers know that people actually drink less than one percent (1%) of the water that they use. The remaining 99% is used in toilets, showers, washing machines, watering lawns, etc.

    Therefore, for each $1000 of fluoride added annually, only $10 of fluoride would be contained in the water people drink, and $990 of it would be wasted down the drain.
    The young children, for whom it is intended, would consume water containing only $1.00 of fluoride ($1 out of $1000).

    This waste is comparable to buying one gallon of milk, using six-and-one-half drops of it, and pouring the rest of the gallon in the sink.

  14. Harry Valentine   February 21, 2016 at 3:02 PM

    Here is some additional from the Alberta study:

    In 2013-2014 Calgary’s grade two children had better teeth than Edmonton’s.
    Here are the facts taken from her actual studies. And yes there is a second one by the same author but getting no publicity.

    1. Calgary’s teeth in 2013/14 were better on 5 parameters, tied on one and Edmonton’s are better on 2.

    2. When fluoridation ceased in Calgary in 2011 the rate of increase in decay of primary teeth slowed down.
    Decay in secondary teeth was 53% less.

    3. Despite being fluoridated for decades dental decay is rising in both Edmonton and Calgary in primary teeth.

    The supposedly much larger rate of decay for Calgary was calculated over seven years that Calgary was fluoridated and only two years after fluoridation stopped in 2011. As well there is a large discrepancy between the starting point 2004-2005 studies of Edmonton and Calgary which accounts for the rate differences.

  15. Harry Valentine   February 21, 2016 at 3:18 PM

    The link to the letter from Health Canada where the federal agency admitted to not having test results to prove dental effectiveness of hydrofluosilicic acid:

    http://www.wedeservesafewater.com/forum/uploaded/HealthCanadaFOIPJune2014snip.pdf

  16. Furtz   February 21, 2016 at 3:20 PM

    Jules, I thought you’d be rooting for Cruz. He’s even crazier than Trump.

  17. jules   February 21, 2016 at 4:42 PM

    Furtz Cruz should not be running for president because he is Canadian born even though he gave up Canadian citizenship because it is in the US constitution that only natural born US citizens should be president. I have to agree with that and I will tell you why. My husband who is a dual citizen of Lebanon and Canada has feelings for his own country like anyone would have and you cannot support two different nations at the same time and have full attention on one and if war breaks out or whatever you are caught in between. I am not just talking about Canada since we are peaceful but any country.

    You may think that Trump is crazy – yes a little crazy but nobody is 100% normal – I sure am not 100% normal nor am I crazy – just a little wacky to make things go around. Trump was not afraid to stand up to that Pope and I don’t like the present pope at all nor the others under Vatican II and I find that the Pope is only concerned about the NWO (New World Order) and yes this is all true and something that they have all been coming out with since a very long time. Go Trump, Go!

  18. Hugger1   February 21, 2016 at 4:46 PM

    Seriously Jules…..Donald Trump?? If you think the U.S. is in the toilet now, if he is elected the U.S. will be in so much trouble they’ll never get out. The man has no filter on his brain or mouth.

  19. Furtz   February 21, 2016 at 5:14 PM

    Paroxetine is a federally approved drug that has been proven to reduce depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and premenstrual dysphoric disorder. If we’re going to mass-medicate the population using municipal water supplies, why not throw in some paroxetine as well?

  20. admin   February 21, 2016 at 5:24 PM

    I think some purple micro dot couldn’t hurt while you’re dumping stuff into our water Furtz ol chum.

  21. Furtz   February 21, 2016 at 6:02 PM

    Ha! No Jamie. That is not an approved drug. I haven’t done it in years, and would never recommend it… except for a certain preacher.

  22. Mary Anne Pankhurst   February 21, 2016 at 6:46 PM

    Good for you, Andre Andre Rivette, for standing up to conspiracy theories and woo in the name of protecting kids health.

  23. Randy Johnson   February 21, 2016 at 7:58 PM

    Fluoridation opponents (FOs) do not want the public to understand that the science behind any subject like fluoridation is incredibly complex – there are many thousands of research studies covering more than 70 years.

    All scientists have personal goals, biases, resource limitations, experience and knowledge, ethics, and expectations. These specific attributes can impact how a study is designed, carried out and analyzed. The validity of any scientific endeavor can be compromised. Consequently, within those thousands of published studies there will be some poor and biased studies.

    How do scientists determine which of the thousands of studies are legitimate, valid and trustworthy? A critical component of the scientific method is Scientific Consensus – the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Experts carefully evaluate ALL available evidence and construct the best, most reliable explanation for a given topic.

    FOs would have the public believe that because they can dip into the complete body of scientific evidence on fluoridation and cherry-pick a few studies that seem to support their beliefs (and distort the conclusions of others) there is compelling PROOF that fluoridation is ineffective and dangerous.

    Remember, FOs’ beliefs are, by definition, contrary to the Scientific Consensus on fluoridation. All Evidence selected by FOs to support their self-inflicted fearful beliefs has been evaluated thoroughly by mainstream scientists, and rejected.

    The scientific consensus that fluoridation is safe and effective is the reason over 100 national and international science and health organizations (and their thousands of members) SUPPORT fluoridation as a safe and effective public health policy to reduce dental decay. These organizations include the WHO, AAP, AMA and the ADA.
    http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/why-fluoride/

    Ask FOs their opinion of scientific consensus.

    Ask FOs to explain why organizations that support fluoridation have not changed their position when presented with the alleged ‘evidence’ they use to try and influence the public their beliefs are legitimate.

    Ask FOs to provide names of all national and international scientific and health organizations that support their position on fluoridation.

    The bottom line is that FOs only have evidence that appears to be legitimate if they have a preexisting, passionate belief to keep fluoride ions out of drinking water.

    I will trust the scientific consensus as stated by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, “… fluoridation of community water supplies is repeatedly demonstrating that it is an effective public health measure for the mass partial control of dental cavities.” over ant-F propaganda.

    Look at the claims of FOs, but also, carefully examine the conclusions of those who support fluoridation.
    http://www.cyber-nook.com/water/fluoridationreferences.htm
    http://ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/
    http://fluorideinfo.org/index.html
    http://www.bfsweb.org/

  24. Harry Valentine   February 21, 2016 at 9:00 PM

    With regard to conspiracy theories, many cities have ended municipal water fluoridation without any mention of conspiracies. The original fluoridating compound was naturally occurring calcium fluoride found in groundwater . . . . at the time, the compound had zero industrial use. Today, the finest optical lenses are made from CaF that is fused under heat and pressure . . and the price has risen dramatically. Lithium fluoride is even more expensive and has application in the energy industry. Medical grade sodium fluoride has uses in both the healthcare industry and in the energy sector and also calls a high price.

    A naturally occurring metallic fluoride called cryolite (Na3AlF6) is used in the aluminum smelting industry to lower the melting temperature of the bauxite (Al2O3) ore. It is regarded as being unsuitable for municipal water fluoridation.

    As previously stated, Health Canada admitted in a letter to not being able to offer any information on studies undertakes to prove the safety and dental effectiveness of hydrofluosilicic (hydrofluorosilicic) acid . . . . no conspiracy going on.

    Like the original fluoride studies that involved calcium fluoride . . . people suffering from AIDS in a certain region of Senegal live for years with the malady for many years . . the reason is the presence of the mineral selenium in the groundwater. The drink the groundwater and use it to cultivate their food crops. Should municipal governments add minerals such as selenium, lithium and magnesium to municipal water ??? Not in developed nations !!

  25. John Teagle   February 21, 2016 at 9:10 PM

    This article is a wonderful example of how so called health departments are nothing more than Astroturfers who have a hidden agenda knowing full well that fluoridation is only effective when applied topically and is a serious cause of the disease dental fluorosis.
    http://fluoridealert.org/issues/caries/topical_systemic/
    http://www.publichealthreports.org/documents/PHS_2015_Fluoride_Guidelines.pdf
    Astroturfers are paid shills who are not concerned with the truth, only interested in promoting an agenda that benefits companies who profit from causing harm to consumers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s__qs0cBek
    The Astroturfers are highly organized (and paid?) to discredit and ridicule anyone who dares to stand up for their human rights when it comes to medications such as fluoridation.
    The World Health Organisation is aware of the dangers of the diseases dental fluorosis and skeletal fluorosis and warns about the harmful effects from overexposure to fluoride.
    http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/diseases/fluorosis/en/
    The US Public Health Service in July 2015 drastically reduced the purported “safe/optimal” level of fluoride in reticulated water supplies from 1.2 mgs per litre to 0.7mgs per litre.
    http://www.publichealthreports.org/documents/PHS_2015_Fluoride_Guidelines.pdf
    This reduction was necessary because of the alarming increased prevalence of dental fluorosis in children and young adults, a disease that is a bio-marker for more serious illnesses such as hypothyroidism, Iodine Deficiency Disease and arthritis to name just a few.
    The Gold Standard UK Cochrane Collaboration in the systematic peer review could not find any conclusive evidence that fluoridation prevents tooth decay but it found that fluoride causes the WHO recognised water related disease dental fluoridation.
    http://www.cochrane.org/CD010856/ORAL_water-fluoridation-prevent-tooth-decay

  26. Bob   February 22, 2016 at 8:20 AM

    I believe the author may had mis-read the summary of the the report which is published in Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology, or perhaps has ignored the report altogether to mis-lead his readers. The report is online at this link : http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10.1111/cdoe.12215

  27. Bob   February 22, 2016 at 8:41 AM

    . . . and here’s a quote directly from the study –
    “As a whole, the evidence base supports the benefits of fluoridation for preventing caries in populations.”
    As others have indicated – fluoride in a precise concentration is beneficial, and too much, as in the case of the 1960’s aluminum smelter pollution issues may be dangerous.

  28. David Oldham   February 22, 2016 at 9:22 AM

    The same people that wear tin foil hats and largely give credence to conspiracy theories rather than common sense are likely to believe that the benefits of fluoridation are outweighed by any potential downside. Drinking too much water will cause death whereas proper consumption is necessary for life. Knowledge is power and understanding fluoridation the key to avoiding extremist views on the subject. The simple reality is that a large segment of the population needs to be protected from their ignorance.

    For example; Canada has an obesity problem not because food is too available but rather because people are making poor choices in their consumption and related lifestyle choices (lack of proper exercise). Fluoride is not an enemy or problem. The problem is uniformed extremists that although meaning well are part of the problem and not part of the simple solution. Education.

  29. David Oldham   February 22, 2016 at 9:48 AM

    jwillie6…. I understand why perhaps you choose not to reveal your identity. Your tinfoil hat may need adjustment. Harry Valentine employs a non scientific approach as well. Spouting off information as though it was relevant will fool the odd uniformed or uneducated soul. Politicians rely on this fact to leverage themselves into positions of trust/power. Approximately half of the worlds population live without access to electricity. If your milk analogy is indicative of your cognitive skills I would no doubt be amused by your conclusions on how being depraved of electricity effects people.

    I do not mean to criticize your opinion, you are entitled to believe what your choose. My point is that in a world chock full of problems fluoride in the drinking water doesn’t even make it onto the radar. There are bigger fish to fry. It is merely my belief that if we all concentrated our efforts in unison on important issues then the small stuff would receive the attention that it deserves.

  30. Hugger1   February 22, 2016 at 10:15 AM

    Just as anti-fluoride people can spout statistics and reports in favour of not adding fluoride to our water people that support fluoride in the water can spout just as many statistics and reports in favour of adding fluoride to our water, Is anyone truly an “expert?” This wasn’t an issue in Cornwall until there was a mechanical breakdown. The safety issue was added later. It’ll be interesting to see if council decides to wade into the water again. Or will they fluff this off to another “consultant” to study?

  31. Furtz   February 22, 2016 at 12:24 PM

    Mass medication of citizens using the public water supply will always be met with resistance.

  32. Jessica   February 22, 2016 at 11:06 PM

    Clair Cameron Patterson warned against lead in gasoline in 1965 and it was not changed till the mid 80s because of big corporation. The gas company’s had alot of evidence at the time to support their claims that lead in gasoline was 100% safe despite the facts and despite what we know to be true today.

    Fact is hydrofluorosilicic acid is a waste product of mined phosphate, which is mined mostly for fertilizer for crops. It often contains arsenic, lead and mercury. Fact is it tax payers who will pay the 350 000 $ so big corporations can contine to dump this toxic waste chemical in our water, as oppose to paying for it to be properly disposed of.
    Fact is it a neurotoxin that causes a list of health issues and it’s past off as good for cavities. How can something you drink be good for your cavities? Because its not, evidence has shown that topical fluoride has been shown to strengthen enamel. Which can be purchased and applied to your teeth.

    If the city of Cornwall is so worried about the health of our children’s teeth they can give toothpaste to the Agape or provide dental care to less fortunate families. We don’t need to pay to be poisoned. I will be following this closely and electing next round with respect to these decisions.

  33. Richard Hudon   February 22, 2016 at 11:13 PM

    Thank you Harry for this fine article. Your expose is clear, concise and correct.

    Randy Johnson
    You make the same false claim of the proponents of fluoridation that ” there are many thousands of research studies covering more than 70 years” – this is patently untrue.
    That is only true of the research on fluoride and fluoridation; have you read any of them?
    You are certainly not familiar with the massive research project called “Study Tracker” that lists and accesses these data in support of the noxious effects of fluorides on human health.
    There are lists given out that proponents imply are in support of fluoridation, but, when you read their content, they do not support fluoridation – I know, I’ve read most of them.
    As to the claims of organizations that support fluoridation, none of them do any research of their own but have been coopted into believing the original assumptions of the toxic fluoride polluting industries and their propaganda machines.
    As to “cherry picking”, that is just a derogatory term used to discredit proponents of ending fluoridation – data gleaned from research can be quoted liberally to show the truth of a position, and to discredit the data by name calling is disingenuous at best.

  34. Richard Hudon   February 22, 2016 at 11:39 PM

    Dear Randy Johnson;
    You say that “over 100 national and international scientific and health organizations (and their thousands of representatives) continue to support fluoridation as a safe and effective public health initiative”
    That is a conflation of the truth
    1. there are now less than 90 such organizations that support fluoridation and none of them qualify their support with data, facts or science.
    2. Only a handful of the representatives at the top of the organizations support it for pecuniary reasons – follow the money – fluoride is neurotoxic and carcinogenic even in tiny quantities and fluoride polluters think nothing of fattening their bottom lines by even a few dollars on the backs of people.
    The health and well being of people would be better served by eliminating as much fluoride from the source waters than adding this toxic element to the tap water, especially in the form of the highly corrosive and toxic fluoride industrial chemical contaminant that contains the HFSA (Hydrofluorosilicic acid, H2SiF6) and the other contaminants that come with it.
    Answer this question reasonably? How does a toxic fluoride industrial waste, a banned U.S. EPA contaminant and its co-contaminants, magically becomes medicine for teeth?

  35. David Oldham   February 23, 2016 at 9:53 AM

    I think council will eventually recommend a study. Then perhaps a study of the study. At any rate life will go on with a bigger bounce in our steps as our pockets get lighter and lighter

  36. David Oldham   February 23, 2016 at 10:08 AM

    Fluoride is the 13th most abundant element on the earth’s crust. You are ingesting it either from water sources that are “treated” or not or from the foods that you eat. People need to relax and worry about the things that really matter.

  37. Bryon Hill   February 23, 2016 at 11:22 AM

    No to fluoride it is TOXIC to our health

  38. Hugger1   February 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM

    They said / they said. The rhetoric between both sides gets boring at times. If previous debates are any indication look for city council to hire a “consultant” on this issue.

  39. admin   February 23, 2016 at 11:42 AM

    Hugger we just added a Fluoride poll on our home page. I know that City Hall reads CFN. Let’s try and save on a consultant 🙂

  40. Hugger1   February 23, 2016 at 2:03 PM

    Agreed. But…..city councils love consultants….it means they can blame someone else.

  41. Harry Valentine   February 23, 2016 at 6:53 PM

    CORNWALL FLUORIDATION OPTION:

    Given that the target group of children account for less than 1% of total municipal water consumption, there is the option of pro-fluoridation enthusiasts to fluoridate drinking water at home, as has been proposed in several European jurisdictions. Instead of Hydrofluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6), home fluoridation could involve a parent adding a drop or tablet of compound containing either medical grade sodium fluoride (NaF) or calcium fluoride (CaF) added to a jug or family-size water bottle (with dispenser) of drinking water. Parents are trusted to administer medication at home to ailing children, so why not medical grade fluoride to a family-size container of drinking water.

    By targeting only 1% of the water usage market, far less fluoride compound would be required and perhaps at lower cost that city-wide fluoridation. When baby is born, a representative from the health unit visits the family to assure each baby’s health . . . the representative can also instruct interested parents on how to add fluoride compound at home, to family water supply.

    Perhaps home fluoridation of water may be an option to consider.

    CORNWALL INDUSTRIAL FLUORIDE POLLUTION:

    People familiar with Cornwall’s history may recall the aluminum smelters at Massena NY, one of which pumped out 300-pounds of gaseous fluoride emissions per hour and the other 200-lbs per hour. The fluoride resulted from mixing cryolite (Na3AlF6) to bauxite ore (Al2O3) to lower melting temperature and assist is separating out the pure aluminum. When the Mohawk Council hired independent scientists to measure soil and water samples, the discovers extremely elevated levels of sodium fluoride in the soil and water . . . up to 100-times the safety level on Cornwall Island. No measurements were ever taken at Cornwall.

    The water intake pipe for City of Cornwall is located across the river from one of the smelters and as recently as 2008, extremely elevated levels of fluoride compound were found on the river shore at Massena NY, as well as at distant locations around the Mohawk reservation, including Cornwall Island. Health Canada has acknowledged the higher-than-normal rate of illness at Cornwall, but has never acknowledges excess fluoride as the cause.

    Cornwall was NOT the only city in Canada to have had citizens living downwind of the smokestack of a paper mill . . . . . but recorded much higher rate of illness than Cochrane ON, Sarnia ON, Windsor QUE, Three Rivers QUE and many other paper mill towns. The level of fluoride emissions at Massena was reduced by 50% in 1979 as a result of pressure from the Mohawk Council . . . medical personnel advised that the diseases suffered by Mohawk residents were consistent with excess fluoride intake.

    The same diseases are rampant across Cornwall. Medical research from India and China has suggested that fluoride can cross the placenta from expectant mother to developing fetus, suggesting that children born into the early 1990’s at Cornwall could have received more fluoride than children born elsewhere across Canada.

    Home fluoridation of family drinking water could serve the needs of families with young children and who are passionate about fluoridation . . . it would also serve the purpose older generation who may have ingested elevated levels of fluoride due to industrial fluoride pollution that occurred near Cornwall and that may have entered the Cornwall’s water supply and local food production. During summer months, many families cultivated home gardens that produced fruit and vegetables that families consumed locally, perhaps unaware of the elevated fluoride content of the fruit and veg. Measurements were taken many years ago of fruit and vegetables grown on Cornwall Island . . . and found to have extremely elevated levels of fluoride.

    Perhaps the fluoride enthusiasts would be willing to consider home water fluoridation . . . please consider the wellbeing of your fellow citizens of an only generation who unknown to them, consumed an excess level of fluoride and today suffer from illnesses such as hypothyroidism, problems with their pineal gland, elevated incidence of arthritis, elevated levels of hypertension along with cardiovascular problems. Home water fluoridation can simultaneously serve the perceived needs of a small percentage of the water market and the older generation.

  42. Harold R.   February 24, 2016 at 9:00 AM

    It’s also imortant to note which chemicals are being used in fluoridation, Randy.

    Research HFS and tell me its suitable for addition to drinking water. It’s not manufactured for this purpose, it is a BY-PRODUCT of fertilizer manufacturing and does not get refined!

    We should put the money towards Fl treatments at schools by the EOHU not dumping 99.9% of what we are adding, directly to the river as Fl is NOT removed by the WWTP processes.

  43. Harry Valentine   February 24, 2016 at 1:02 PM

    Hi Harold R. . . . . . Courtesy of the Freedom of Information Act, Health Canada was compelled to release information that pertained to the dental effectiveness of HFS. A link to Health Canada’s reply is posted earlier in this discussion. Here it is again:
    http://www.wedeservesafewater.com/forum/uploaded/HealthCanadaFOIPJune2014snip.pdf

  44. Harry Valentine   February 24, 2016 at 10:33 PM

    For people who want fluoridated water for their children, there could be a second option to home fluoridation . . . . . . an industrial sized storage tank of fluoridated water at the water department that allows citizens to refill home water containers. These containers would be the same size as the large water containers at supermarkets and are inverted when installed into home water dispensing units. Parents would regularly drive over to the water department to refill their home containers.

    With regard to amount of water to be fluoridated, consider that each adult is supposed to drink 8-glasses of water per day (8 x 250ml = 2-litres) . . . and children about 6-glasses. The toilet tank would hold 24 to 32-litres of water. Each member in a family of 4-people could flush the toilet 3-times per day (3-flushes x 4-people x 24-litres = 288 to 300-litres per day), while the 2-children aged 3 and 7-years would drink about 12-litres of water per day. Water will be used in the kitchen sink, the wash basin and shower/bathtub, raising total family consumption to as high as 500-litres per day. The kids would drink 2.5% of that volume.

    The combination of home fluoridation of large containers of water and refills of fluoridated water at the city water department would perhaps involve about 1% to 1.5% of the total volume of municipal water, given industrial applications of water across the city (and region). The total volume of fluoride compound would be miniscule compared to the situation of 5-years ago, allowing for a superior kind of fluoride compound to be used, possibly at a fraction of the cost of situation of 5-years ago.

    Perhaps the way to resolve the fluoridation issue is for citizens-at-large to vote on the issue on the ballot during the next municipal election . . . regardless of how Cornwall City Council votes on the issue within the next 2-months. It is doubtful as to whether either council or the EOHU would want to consider home fluoridation or a special dispensing tank of fluoridated water at the water department.

  45. David Oldham   February 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM

    Drinking 8 glasses of water per day is a misunderstood concept. The missing word is “equivalent”. Moisture (water) is a major component of most foods. Eating an orange, apple, vegetables any drink is all part of the daily requirement for water.

    Let the majority rule and the minority deal with their own conspiracy theories. Keep you tinfoil hat in good repair and hope for the best.

  46. jules   February 25, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    Hugger I know about Trump and I like him because he will certainly bring down the US to its knees where they belong. LOL LOL. ROLF! The US needs a man like Trump. My daughter is in a classroom with a woman Yankee from Queens NYC and she can’t stand Yankees at all even when we lived in Cornwall and she had to serve them at the establishment where she worked. Hurray for Trump! Go to it “The Donald, go to it”!

  47. Harry Valentine   February 26, 2016 at 11:09 AM

    FREE FLUORIDE

    Yes, free fluoride could become available at Cornwall. Let us recall the aluminum smelters at Massena that pumped out 300 and 150-pounds per hour of gaseous fluoride up their smokestacks. That is 5-tons per day that dispersed over the Mohawk territory, including Cornwall Island and southern part of City of Cornwall for a period of 20-years before emissions were cut by 50%. Those stacks pumped out over 25,000-tons of fluoride between 1960 and 2000. Vegetables such as butternut squash grown in the Mohawk region measured 60 to 100-parts per million (ppm) of fluoride . . . . . by comparison, municipalities add 0.7-ppm of fluoride to water. Info on Mohawk fluoride from 2008 may be seen at:

    http://www.srmtenv.org/web_docs/2008/FluorideReportWholeDocument12152008.pdf

    The fluoride in the soil is mainly sodium fluoride . . same as in the toothpaste and NOT hydrofluorosilicic acid that the head of EOHU wants the city to add to municipal water. Health Canada can’t even verify the dental effectiveness of HFA. However, vegetables grown on the Mohawk region would be loaded with sodium fluoride and represents a free source of fluoride that Cornwall residents could add to their soup, their stews and their mashed potatoes . . . perhaps add 2-teaspoons of powdered and frozen veg laced with fluoride to the family meals.

    This way, the kiddies will be getting their regular dose of fluoride . . . not in the municipal water, but at mealtimes. I’m sure that the EOHU could even invent some recipes for people to make smoothies at home for the kids . . . . and include some fluoride laced veg or fruit in the mix.

    Why should the City of Cornwall spend money to provide HFA-fluoride to the kiddies of the community when free fluoride could be readily available ??

  48. Harry Valentine   February 27, 2016 at 4:20 PM

    FLUORIDE ENHANCED HERBS and SPICES

    The ‘locally-grown’ movement encourages citizens to buy locally grown foods. Soil along the St Lawrence River within a 10-mile radius downwind of the old aluminum smelters, has a high fluoride content as a result of 25,000-tons of the stuff being pumped out of the smokestacks and being dispersed by wind between 1960 and 2000. That fluoride will remain in the soil for many decades into the future.

    Any kind of vegetation grown in that soil will contain 25 to 80-ppm of fluoride . . . mainly sodium fluoride that is contained in toothpaste (0.234% or 2340-ppm) while municipal water is supposed to dosed to 0.7-ppm. During warm weather, many kinds of vegetables such as onion, garlic, parsley and herbs such as basil and oregano can be grown in the fluoride soil . . . . and offer a high fluoride content after being harvested and dehydrated.

    Citizens who want to provide fluoride to their kids could have the option of fluoride-enhanced (F-E) herbs and spices . . . perhaps 2-teaspoons of F-E dehydrated parsley to a pot of soup for 12-people or a teaspoon of F-E dehydrated garlic to a pot of mashed potatoes for a family with 4-kids in the target age group. Fluoride enthusiasts may add F-E dried basil or F-E dried oregano to pizza sauce, to casseroles and to stews.

    Growing F-E vegetables, herbs and spices would create economic opportunity locally on Cornwall Island, where reputable scientists measured elevated fluoride content in the soil and in the vegetation. The Head of EOHU provided volumes of ‘evidence’ to a previous Cornwall City Council on the alleged dental benefits of fluoride . . . . and practically all of that information pertained to sodium fluoride that is in abundance in the soil in this region.

    Health Canada has been unable to provide statistical information on the dental effectiveness of H2SiF6 that the City of Cornwall wants to add to the municipal water. Such action will cost $50,000 per year after a $320,000 upgrade to the water plant . . . an expense that will have to be repeated several years into the future. The alternative of F-E herbs and spices will cost very little and may become available to local families interested in fluoride at very low cost. It may actually be safe for them to use F-E herbs and spices in their kitchens . . . . no need to put on protective gloves, goggles and protective suits.

  49. Harry Valentine   March 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM

    On March 23, Cornwall City Council will hear a special presentation about municipal water fluoridation and it is perhaps a forgone conclusion that a representative of HEALTH CANADA will speak to the council. While some members of council may regard the HC representative as being infallible, doctor who worked in research for HC for 25-years became a whistleblower who exposed some ‘unusual’ practices in the sacred bureaucracy, see story:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2742145/

    The former HC insider who is also author of the book CORRUPT TO THE CORE, sheds light on management practices inside the federal health department.

    So on March 23, citizens should not be surprised if come members of council fawn over the HC representation . . . . like people praising the emperor’s fine robes, except that the former HC insider turned whistleblower advises that the emperor has no clothes.

    Some members of council may be aware of industrial fluoride contamination in the greater Cornwall area, the result of a calculated 25,000-tons of fluoride emissions from the smelters at Massena. On a previous occasion in 2011, a representative HC addressed Cornwall City Council pointing out the high rate of disease in Cornwall . . . urging city council that adding fluoride to Cornwall water is crucial to the health of the citizens.

    For reasons unknown, the HC representative totally ignored a 2008 report from the Mohawk Council that gave the details of fluoride hotspots downwind of the smelters . . . including on Cornwall Island . . . except that no measurements were ever done on soil in Cornwall. Any attempt by either HEALTH CANADA or by EOHU to measure fluoride content in Cornwall soil, in which many citizens cultivate summer veggies and fruit, would constitute a conflict of interest.

    The only credible authority to undertake such measurements would be the scientists who were commissioned by the Mohawk Council . . . and to undertake the evaluation independently of either HC or EOHU to avoid any suggestion of conflict of interest. Across Ontario, the office of head of a health unit is under a mandate to promote fluoridation of municipal water . . . . when member of Cornwall Council urge citizens to take objections to fluoridation to EOHU, council members are placing the head of the health unit into a conflict of interest. On matters of chronic industrial fluoride contamination in the Cornwall area, the mandate still requires the head of the health unit to promote municipal water fluoridation.

    So we may expect the representative from Health Canada to totally disregard the 2008 findings on environmental fluoride contamination in this region, from the Mohawk Council and to totally disregard the fact that citizens had invoked the ACCESS TO INFORMATION ACT to require Health Canada to release research findings on the dental effectiveness of hydrofluorosilicic acid (A.K.A. hydrofluosilicic acid). Health Canada was unable to provide any such information.

    While Cornwall did have residents living downwind of a paper mill smokestack, so did many other cities such as Kenora ON, Three Rivers QUE. Windsor QUE . . . and WITHOUT the high rate of illness as Cornwall. Residents across the Mohawk Akwesasne region who lived downwind of the fluoride smokestacks suffer a high level of illness that includes cancer, hypertension, pineal gland problems . . . same diseases that are rampant across the southern area of Cornwall that was also downwind of the fluoride smokestacks.

    Except we may expect the representative from Health Canada to disregard that excess fluoride emissions from those smokestacks and people eating fruit and veg in soil contaminated with that fluoride, could have caused Cornwall’s high rate of illness. The rep may be expected to enact the kind of behaviour described by the former HC insider who worked for HC for 25-years.

  50. jules   March 6, 2016 at 11:03 PM

    Fluoride isn’t going to remove all the garbage from the industries, etc. after all the years that they have operated in Cornwall. There is a great deal more in the water system than the industries and that is birth control pills, condoms and many other things that get into people’s system and causes a lot of health issues. Fluoride is a poison and should not be swallowed.

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