CFN – To many, Wednesday, September 26th, 2012 will long be remembered as the day that an Eastern Ontario township Council (South Stormont) took a strong stand in support of Canadians’ inalienable right to freedom of expression. Why was that necessary? Language rights activist Howard Galganov will tell you it was essential to push back because in June an Ontario Court of Appeal judge ruled that, even though Russell Township’s forced bilingual sign law clearly violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, it is permissible to infringe on some of these rights in order to promote the agenda of some French language activists. Russell was the fourth Eastern Ontario township to adopt such a practice that dictates that all commercial signs be in French and English, even if the customers speak neither of those languages and without regard to need nor cost.
Galganov and Jean-Serge Brisson are in the process of a Supreme Court challenge to that ruling. However, Galganov is not putting all of his eggs in one basket. One township at a time he is working to get the remaining 440 Ontario townships not to infringe upon these inalienable (God-given) and Charter rights. Tuesday was South Glengarry’s turn to answer the challenge. The answer? We’ll deal with it at the next meeting.
Galganov did not miss the opportunity to remind his audience that our M.P. Guy Lauzon declined Galganov’s request to join him in taking a stand in South Stormont because the matter is “too controversial.”
It’s not o.k.! … If we wait for the politicians at the federal level, at the provincial level, we’ll be waiting for an awful long time. When a federal member of Parliament can’t stand up and say ‘I support freedom of expression; I support the Canadian Constitutional rights’, what’s to say!
158 Canadians have died fighting for the rights and freedoms of others [in Afghanistan] and we’re too frightened to fight for our own rights and freedoms here just by affirming our Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms!
Galganov received a round of applause during his closing, when he requested of Council:
If any of the Councillors, in this case, Mr. Bougie, would present the resolution, and at the same time, present a motion to have it voted on tonight, because if we can’t figure out whether we should stand for Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms, then let’s not have any vote ever.
Mayor Ian McLeod did acknowledge that this was not in accord with standard practice, but opened the floor to input from the councillors.
Councillor Frank Prevost expressed a desire that normal procedure of seeking input from administration be followed. He indicated that he was not opposed to the resolution, just not certain that it was necessary and wanted to give the two absent Council members further opportunity for input. The room resounded with boos in response.
Councillor Trevor Bougie gave his support to Prevost’s rationale.
A member of the audience asked that the resolution be read for their benefit just the same and was told that it was not available. Howard Galganov got to his feet and reminded Council that the CAO was indeed in possession of the resolution. CAO Derik Brandt did then acknowledge that he was in receipt of the resolution which was identical to the one passed by South Stormont, except that the final clause had been deleted. However, he declined to have it read at the meeting.
Will November 13, 2012 share a similar degree of fame as September 26th or will it be one of notoriety? Many eyes will be on South Glengarry Council at their next meeting in two weeks’ time, watching to see just how important human rights are to the Council. Any bets on whether or not the press and crowd will be back?
after South Glengarry Council deferred resolution
…we’re talking about the Charter of Rights, so why do you need a recommendation? It doesn’t make any sense to me … We opened the door for them in South Stormont; we made it easier for them. This is easy for them now. We stuck our necks out. It’s not an anti-French decision that we made; we give everybody the opportunity to put up their signs in any language. We didn’t mandate the use of any language on any sign. That’s what everybody wants. What threat is there? Why would anybody say it’s wrong to pass that.
after South Glengarry Council deferred resolution
These Councillors are used to having maybe ten [people in the gallery] and this decision to let this be delayed for two weeks, with the booing of at least 50-60 people, certainly makes a big impact. I’m sure they’ll have to think about this.
I don’t know why the decision is so hard; we have our young people overseas fighting for the very rights that they [South Glengarry Council] are unwilling to stand up for. It would be nice to see some Councillors, other than those in South Stormont, get the cahoonas to speak out for freedom of expression, freedom of assembly and all those rights that God gave us.
after South Glengarry non-vote
It’s quite disgraceful that the Council didn’t have the courage to even read the proposal. The excuses they gave were not good enough because they knew that there were people coming to listen, and they had the resolution … the basic thing is that they didn’t have the courage, and I think that they were intimidated by the number of French people in the audience. They were definitely intimidated.
“Jane Doe”, camera-shy former Quebecer living in South Glengarry:
I was in absolute shock. Coming here from the bordering province of Quebec, and having lived [there] and not having a constitution that anybody would stand up for, coming to Ontario thinking that the Canadian Constitution means something that people fought for and died for, to [tonight] watch any sense of Canadianism walk out that door, makes me ill in my belly. This isn’t about language; this is about human rights.
Our video clip shows Howard Galganov’s appeal to Council, Council’s response as well as comments made by supporters.
There you have it folks! In two week’s time we’ll report what the South Glengarry Council decides to do about this matter which has been placed before them.
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John Macdonald November 17, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Oh john starting to sound like Julie lec ,Oh sorry Stella
What is the benefit of knowing French outside of Quebec? Why all of this push for bilingual positions. Supporters of bilingualism benefit solely if they are indeed of French descent and none others. Like my research suggests, hospitals in the States don’t hire nurses based on language qualifications but instead focus on merit with translation services servicing the Spanish population. The same should be done in Ontario and Quebec.
Increasingly in the job field, merit is being substitued by the degree to which one speaks French. There are those who have posted here about how they speak 2 or 3 languages but not French and still they are ignored for someone who speaks French.
Add to this the stories of health professionals such as Heather, Chris and a host of nurses and you begin to see that merit is entirely substituted for the knowledge of the French language.
The followers of French are indeed religious in their approach of bilingualism.
In the last year, we have witnessed scores of people come forward and speak out against this hiring practice. In so doing, these courageous people have been branded rednecks, racists and just about every negative brand under the sun.
As they say, what’s the easiest way to hide something? Way out in the open, of course! We have been brainwashed to think that it’s of the utmost importance to have knowledge of that minority language in order to do a job for which thousands of us have already written exams at colleges and universities which grant us the tickets to do the jobs in the first place!
It’s only bad government policy that then prohibits us to practice in our selected fields due to an unfair language rule.
If indeed these people coming forward are racists or bigots or rednecks; I have to say, I have never witnessed such an educated lot in my life of undesirables! bahahahahahhaa
No, no. This is the situation as I see it. Now that the cat has been let out of the bag, you have a desperate group clinging to a stature for which they once took complete advantage of. They are losing their monopoly and power grip. This advantaged few are witnessing firsthand the demise of their prestigious and privaleged lot in Canadian life. They will no longer have their choice of jobs due to the knowledge of their native tongue. Instead, in the future, their success will be based strictly on merit alone – just like the rest of us.
There is an underlying tone here that I have read and have thought about in regards to this issue of the posting of signs. Why is it that French supporters and organizations have all of a sudden started to show up at Municipal Council meetings to promote the use of bilingual signage? Further, why wouldn’t they support a resolution seeking to allow business owners to print signs in whatever language of their choice?
Why are French organizations promoting both French and English?
Why wouldn’t they support a sign by-law that would allow someone to post exclusively in French?
Are they that paranoid of the likes of Howard Galganov who asks for the freedom to post in whatever language one wishes?
What’s wrong with that?
Language is more important then Education:
Why would applicants otherwise not even be looked at simply because they were not bilingual?
They may have had the qualifications and education over and above what is needed yet not a chance simply by language.
Merit should ways be first,otherwise you are not getting the best employee ,just the one that is bilingual -right Julie lec?
What you must know is you Julie lec play a part in a revolution many from across the country are reading of what has started as the voice of the people speaking up against discrimination and CFN and Cornwall will be known as a starting point for this revolution.
“Why wouldn’t they support a sign by-law that would allow someone to post exclusively in French?”
Because this will LITERALLY change absolutely NOTHING since you can already use ANY LANGUAGE YOU WANT on your signs in South Glengarry.
This is only causing trouble for the sake of causing trouble.
@Touchez
You wrote
@Ken you just proved my point thank you Ken…..!!! no one is as equal as a unilingual anglophone….end quote
Touchez, I AM SOOO SOOORRY if I made you feel so inferior, it was not my intent. You won’t find a more honourable person than me when it comes to equality – I’ve been around the world and walked with many people in rich and poor countries. I treat everyone the same, equally, including the likes of yourself.
The very fact that you have to try to belittle me is evidence that you do not understand what this is all about. We Anglophones are fighting for Freedom of Expression for all Canadians and that even includes you.
Incidentally, I always make an effort to learn enough of the language of another country to converse with the locals, including Quebec.
You’ll have to try much harder to insult me.
WOW piper that is great!!!! The entire world is awaiting on you, the g, to turn things around……..now that is exciting!!!! Imagine, you will be making the headlines…….exactly what you you’ve been looking for all this time. Just writing about it makes me so very excited **smile**
Piper……do you know if the UN has responded to cory yet? I can’t seem to get an answer.
g….Know what?……you are so full of it. Thinking many around this country know better then to believe what you write. They also know you use this venue to promote yourself and your radical agenda.
cory….you ask “Are people paranoid of the galganov” you must be kidding….now that is hilarious!!!! OMG that is funny!!! Was SG afraid? The only ones that were and are still afraid is council in SS.
whenyou call another human being ..stupid…you are a reflection of your own truth…. Ghandi would not like that
@Ken RE: November 17, 2012 at 12:08 pm POST
Ken wrote,
“EDUDYORLIK, Great video”
— Thank you 🙂
AND
“History shows that all successful attempts to dominate, even change, the language of the occupied country, were led by very small groups of powerful men (and today women). Such is the case in Canada. “
— Sad, so very sad. Even worse, it is mainly our good nature and sense of fairness that has brought us to where we are today.
AND
“I have already lived the experience and lost my great job to the Francophones many years ago, shortly after Trudeau started dreaming. I know what I am talking about. “
— Also very sad. Maybe that is what it will take. Enough Anglo Canadians loosing their way of making a living and then not being able to get back in because of ridicules French requirements for such a small percentage of the population.
And thus I second what say Ken, “Wake up Anglophones, you are dreaming now but it could become a nightmare as it already has for some.”
@c`est drole RE: November 17, 2012 at 3:33 pm POST
It’s funy wrote, “Can`t find “frenchification” in my dictionnary… it must be another invention by lfa …..and cflf…”
Another invention? You mean like the French invented the idea that Canada “needs to be” bilingual? Or like the French invented the idea that people “like to be forced” to have to learn French? Or like the French invented the idea that the ROC should pay to save their language? Or.. naw.. that’s it… I’ll leave it at that despite there being dozens more I could add…
Actually Frenchification does exist. It’s in names like c’set drole on an English blog or, in French MUST BE predominant on sings so they can feel superior or in, French commercials on English T.V. French T.V stations would be run out of town if they allowed such a thing or, when 100 % of jobs in Canada being allocated bilingual essential which cuts out 90 some odd percent Anglophone majority citizens from applying for those jobs.
OR
going to eastern townships and seeing French ONLY medical clinics and French only school busses and French only signs in some “Ontario communities.”
Yeah, it’s funny alright. But, no for too much longer.
@Ed RE: November 17, 2012 at 6:10 pm POST
KEY phrase… “French-free so far”
Opps moderator / Jamie? Can you please put this message in instead as i added the wrong link.
Couple of minor errors now fixed. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ynXg5psAJM
Hey Tremblay. I haven’t gotten round to adding a part in one of my video’s for you like you suggested i might do but, i will 🙂
Have a nice day eh 🙂
..oh..it’s my friend alright…and he is still here…sat in a cubicle beside him for five years..read his posts under IAPBIO a couple of times on his computer…we agreed on many things..prostitution, native issues, the city park..so, am I wrong? I am certainly open to a “coming out of the closet day” ..if my buddy is up for it..and yes, the man does not speak a word of french..called him on it before…told me he learned it over the last few years..well, the man is in his late forties..goes to show that you can teach a dog new tricks…I don’t believe that he does it for fun..he holds true to his convictions..He believes that if he plays the role of a french Canadian, his statements would hold more weight..be more valid..4 different pseudonyms later, same outcome.
Richard…last nights fight was amazing..GSP is awesome…I’d rather see Bones Jones fight Silva..I don’t believe GSP matches well with Silva..think it would be a mistake…Did u see it live? If you did, I’m jealous.
..Julie Lec? If Stella is unmasked, I will follow.
Then why so much attention paid to Mr. Galganov in your rhetoric Stella if you are not afraid nor paranoid of him? Do you honestly enjoy it that much to spend hours on this website making and poking fun at the man?
I find the actions of your kind bizarre to say the least…
John,
“Why wouldn’t they support a sign by-law that would allow someone to post exclusively in French?”
Because this will LITERALLY change absolutely NOTHING since you can already use ANY LANGUAGE YOU WANT on your signs in South Glengarry.
Ahhh but yes. Now tell that to the business owners in the 4 other municipalities that cannot post in the language of their choice.
@MacDonald
“Why wouldn’t they support a sign by-law that would allow someone to post exclusively in French?”
That is the point, exactly. No reason why a sign shouldn’t be French only. It implies the staff speak French, maybe/maybe not
English. It should be the prerogative of the owner.
The Russell Bye-Law negates the opportunity for either a French or English only sign, and that is offensive to both sides.
To all those who oppose the proposed Bye-Law as passed by South Stormont I ask you again, “What are you afraid of”?
Give us an answer and be specific please.
ferris….like I said before, I never knew anyone who could write in french and not speak it. If like you said he learned it in the last few years, then he must be an extremely intelligent man because other then typos, his vocabulary was quite advanced for someone who wasn’t french. If you don’t mind, tell him I miss him **smile**
Patrick what an honor to be in one of yorlik’s videos.
Yorlik, you and your gang keep saying, not for long, things are changing, people are coming out etc etc. Know what? To be honest I don’t care and that you can take to the bank along with the LFA funds. Chances are those comments are inflated like your numbers *s**
So what if it does happen and if things change? All you get is bragging rights. You see, french people are not that childish and immature. To us it’s a matter of our culture, to you and your gang, it’s a power thing, the need to rule, the need to say we won. BIG DEAL YOU WIN (if you do) Then what? Yes yorlik….like you said…..it’s sad, so very sad!!! I see Canadians all over the country crying their eyes out and wanting to do away with themselves because of the french people. **smile** So very sad!!!
OMG…cory says my actions are bizarre……..LMAO!!! Oh ok!!!
The question should be, why does the g need so much attention? Now tell me…….you can’t be serious when saying we are afraid of the g. that is even funnier. Like I said before, you live in a fantasy world and in your mind you think you will become the next Prime Minister Of Canada………KEEP DREAMING!!!
Cory…….Touchez’s comment “you are a reflection of your own truth” fits your comment to a tee.
@ ferris: I think Julie Lec (o?) is slowly being unmasked.
Stella I speak French as I told you many times before. I also write French. It was the written word where I aced the test.. If a question was asked and needed a direct answer, I also aced it but it was when the question was asked and I was to dream up an answer that’s where I failed. I probably would have failed that part of an English test as well. Not good with imigination..
Stella you are an oxymoron by definition. Your character and thought patterns cry mimicry of a bygone era to say the least.
For if we weren’t onto something important (LFA/CLF/Howard), you and your ilk wouldn’t be fighting this tooth and nail.
It’s okay though, what you’re doing is totally natural and by no means of the imagination could it be classified as nouveau. You are protecting what’s been yours by birthright for the last 50 years, Stella.
It’s not about anyone ‘winning’ or ‘losing’. But in our Canadian democracy a whole tribe is currently playing with a stacked deck and the equation is such that the house is always ‘winning’ to use your terms.
This is about creating a fair and level playing field whereby every individual can start fresh and work their way through life without having to jump through certain hoops in order to become financially successful. For all of your buzzwords and stories Stella, I read a common denominator in all of this=knowledge of the French language.
You have told us a few times of the success of your teacher friend who wrote a French exam a total of 3 times I believe before she passed it. To me, this indicates not necessarily determination out of will but one of determination through desperation. That’s the feeling I got out of it.
I think a great example of fictional achievement would be the totality of what occured in Mordecai Richler’s, “The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz”. I think this book outlines moreso the possible end results of success/failures in life indicative of the types of hard work and determination one can come to encompass.
In examining our Cornwall area post-secondary graduates for, how is it fair if a person who graduates from college and/or university, works part time or full time to put themselves through school then be denied a job in the field for which they passed exams?
You will argue then that to learn French is the key, right? Unfortunately, you would be correct in your assertion. I have never encountered (either through travel or reading) another country in Earth’s history whereby language plays such an important factor in the financial success of one’s life. It isn’t natural, inviting nor healthy!
The world is looking at our social/legal scene in Canada, Stella. And the way in which the majority of our citizens are treated because of these language laws has caused and is causing a fair amount of embarassment to our politicians; especially to those in Quebec.
Non-Francophones are now speaking out against the injustice surrounding this issue. You have stated your beliefs to us that you think this all started by Dr. Tombler’s letter, Chris’ protests, Cory’s Letters to the Editor or even by the Big ‘G’ himself!
But Stella, this isn’t true! This issue has been nagging non-Francophones for years and it has just recently boiled over. We’re tired, fed up, and we know that if we don’t intervene in the current socio-political situation; then we might as well kiss what we have left of our freedoms, goodbye.
The only real concern I have in all of this is not what we have done or will do about this issue but by the reactions/letters/thoughts of French Language Rights’ Groups. It’s not only English speaking Canadians who can see what’s going on but we have testimonials recorded by CFN and available for public perusal made by those of various languages who’s first language is neither French nor English.
Why would a French paramilitary group out of Montreal show up and cause trouble for something as innocent as a ‘Flag-Day’ Ceremony? And burn the Canadian flag? If you think that this situation won’t repeat itself in Ontario; I fear either you are outright lying or are naive and cannot see it for yourself. Either or Stella, both reasons honestly scare the hell out of me.
Cory
I did ferris, I’m all yelled out. They were sooo into gsp it was amazing. Got scared shitless in the third round, disagree with the judges though, I think gsp should have won but, it should have been 47- or 48 -to 50. That condit kid is a class act though, way better then Koscheck and shields.
Rosie……all kidding aside, I understand perfectly well what you are about and must admit that you come across as an understanding and compassionate women who has struggled and worked hard to get where you are today.
This language BS is a total waste of everyone’s time, as in elected offcials and the powers that be. Let me ask you this: In your personal life do you fight problems before they materialize? Do you live your life on assumptions then say I will start to fight now just in case, and get all worked up before it actually happens? What a waste of energy!! This is so idiotic, unbelievable.
I know the leaders of the pack will say look what happened in Russell….SO WHAT! Is it affecting anyone’s life? Now the sheep
claim it is going to happen all over the country. The only thing I have to say to the flock is soon, like in the USA, they will become the minority also. It is happening now. Didn’t the g fight Russell and lose? Are the people in Russell hurting over this by-law and ready to jump the bridge. It is incomprehensable why the big to do about nothing……..actually it is not only incomprehensable it is stupid, juvenile and offensive to many.
So Rosie…….have yourself a wonderful day and thank God you are not like the rest of them….at least you don’t seem to be. **smile**
Anglophones aren’t fighting for freedom of expression. Freedom of expression doesn’t mean you can say anything you want anytime you want. There are limitations to freedom of expression. If the elected officials of a town chose to be represented in a way where they want bilingualism to be on the forefront then that doesn’t hurt freedom of expression it only helps it. Under the guise of freedom of expression the galganov crew want to make it ok for you to put up business signs in any language. But just one. So if someone wanted to put up a sign in german and spanish, he couldnt. And what if he could, are the bylaw officers going to carry dictionaries.
– and why in the world trust someone that promotes the boycott of french owned stores and wants to exterminate the french language. Is that not what freedom of expression SHOULD NOT BE!!
Back to the topic. Some of South Glendary councillors’ excuse was that they already have “too many” by-laws. I laughed when I checked their website. SG has grand total 2 (two) bylaws: Comprehensive Zoning By-law, and Burn By-Law 07-02. Yep, that’s it.
http://www.southglengarry.com/en/townhall/bylawsandmaps.asp?_mid_=18739
stellabystarlight
November 18, 2012 at 8:33 am
“So what if it does happen and if things change? All you get is bragging rights. You see, french people are not that childish and immature. To us it’s a matter of our culture, to you and your gang, it’s a power thing, the need to rule, the need to say we won.”
Its a HUMAN RIGHTS issue to us so thus its not about “one culture” as you say -but once again you prove that you and your ilk are ETHNOCENTRIC.
stellabystarlight
November 18, 2012 at 11:29 am
“In your personal life do you fight problems before they materialize? Do you live your life on assumptions then say I will start to fight now just in case, and get all worked up before it actually happens? ”
Julie LeC
-At what point during 1940’s Di.d Germany’s people stand up against the Jews taken away ?
Situations evolve Julie Lec and many start well before the impact -just as government discriminatory government policy of 40 years ago have today
-Most other societies would deem them as this as a form of segregation what next apartheid….then what .
“What a waste of energy!! This is so idiotic, unbelievable.”-so why Julie Lec do you fight soo…if this is a wast of time and energy ?
Clearly you do not believe this Julie Lec -otherwise you would not be here constantly berating LFA for making a stand for equality for all people .
Reread the bylaw that was presented again Julie Lec show us where this is anti any language in fact it encourages all languages by giving the choice to the ownes.
Now Julie Lec why do you and McDonald, Richard Trembley not agree to encouraging all languages allowed on business signs? why would you take issue other thane it doesn’t command french ?
so what now …you don`t like how a decison goes ??? mor taxpayer and court time wasted on a useless new by-law.??? ss stands alone on this one they weren`t to hard to convince with Hart and Mcgillis
Helga November 18, 2012 at 11:44 am
I guessed they are swamped with bylaws lol.
Politicians are gutless ,sure they make a stand to save puppies hell they will be front and center for the photo op.Right Guy Lauzon?
But for those tough issues that effect people’s day to day lives ,its too sensitive and they go into hiding.
The politicians need to wake up because next election language and Gov policies will be an issue.They better put forth clearly their stand on the issue,they must remember that 83% of the population is English.
Language laws are oppressive most Canadians would aree ,a referendom is the best option -let Canadians vote on it ,its our democratic right .
If Quebec can have a referendum to leave and separate the country ,why can’t we vote on bilingualism?
@highlander RE: November 17, 2012 at 8:24 pm POST
Highlander asked, “Merit should ways be first, otherwise you are not getting the best employee ,just the one that is bilingual -right Julie lec?”
— How about we take this to its extreme and see what happens.
We all go to school ONLY to learn French. Voila… We should/would all be qualified for ALL jobs in this area. But, with two fatal flaws.
NUMBER 1 – None of us would truly be qualified for ANY JOBS after all.
AND
NUMBER 2 (and most important)
This country would be ALL predominantly French and thus — THEY WIN.
This is what we are trying to avoid. We are proud of the English language. Just as the French are proud of the French language. We want to keep and maintain this country as a majority English speaking and proud country. What the hell is wrong with that?
Can that not be THE SIMPLE and ONLY cause?
Isn’t that what the French want for Quebec.
Thus, I say we MUST become separate. That would be a win / win situation. Well, except for the FACT that Quebec would no longer have their umbilical (cash) cord and thus would cease to exist. Figure it out folks. We MUST STOP this insanity. We cannot just keep pumping money into a language policy that has as it’s core goal
— to become dominant in both Quebec and ALL OF CANADA.
@stellabystarlight RE: November 18, 2012 at 11:29 am POST
Stella asked, “In your personal life do you fight problems before they materialize? Do you live your life on assumptions then say I will start to fight now just in case, and get all worked up before it actually happens?
— We have been taught by the French Stella that if we do not act preemptively, they will simply TAKE, AND TAKE AND TAKE… As if it was all simply theirs to begin with.
Historically speaking, we were told to take a Valium and sit back and that everything would be fine. In our easy going way we did so, and guess what? Frenchification has come across the proverbial bridge (in Ottawa’s case it is the actual bridge). The push to know French in a place where it is practically of little use is now restricting MANY families from gainful employment in their own damn country of which THEY ARE the majority tax payers. Hummm, why does, “let them eat cake” along with the resulting demise of the speaker of said statement come to mind right here? 🙂
It would be stupid of us to not take preemptive action knowing what we know. And yes, we may have been easy going, complacent and apathetic but WE ARE NOT stupid.
ENOUGH is ENOUGH
@Helga RE: November 18, 2012 at 11:44 am POST
Helga wrote, “Some of South Glendary councillors’ excuse was that they already have “too many” by-laws. I laughed when I checked their website. SG has grand total 2 (two) bylaws: Comprehensive Zoning By-law, and Burn By-Law 07-02. Yep, that’s it.”
— That’s priceless Helga. Just priceless. Thanks for doing that extra checking for that.
Richard were you kidding when you wrote this ” Under the guise of freedom of expression the galganov crew want to make it ok for you to put up business signs in any language. But just one. So if someone wanted to put up a sign in german and spanish, he couldnt. And what if he could, are the bylaw officers going to carry dictionaries. ” You reallly, really, really, don’t get it do you!
stellabystarlight
November 18, 2012 at 11:29 am
Stella you asked me the following:
“In your personal life do you fight problems before they materialize? Do you live your life on assumptions then say I will start to fight now just in case, and get all worked up before it actually happens?
Stella my personal life has been impacted by this for many many years and I have been fighting it all the way. No way am I assuming this will go away. If you search anything when it comes to French Language Services you will find words such as strategy, plan, organize, and knowing what has happened to date, this scares me. I hate to think what is going to happen to this beautiful country Canada if this push continues. I’m not against French people, these are my relatives, these are my friends, these are my neighbours. I am very much against what has happened in the Township of Russell, the residents didn’t want it, it caused problems where there were none, as you like to say, why did they feel the need to do this to their community. I don’t want that to happen where I live. I have asked the question before, who approached Russell Council first? Did they just decide, are was it French Language Services..if it was the latter, then we need to prepare so for me personally, I say stop it before it happens. (m?)
Rosie, nope. Isn’t that what the bylaw in stormont said. Mr lecompte proved how ridiculous that was, yet, two hens cackling in front could’nt stop heckling him.
Kilroy, not interested in your videos, sorry. Howard, where do you get that 17 %, is it one of your made up numbers again. I’ll paraphrase admin and quote him, if you have to lie to try and prove your point, well, you ain’t got much of a point.
Even my dang Cornflakes box has that stupid French printing on it! Can’t get away from that filthy Language even in my own kitchen! Lets all move to Texas and claim refugee status. I hear Texas might succeed from the union because the black guy was re-elected president. Them Texans know how to fight for their God-given freedoms, and will probably be happy to receive a bunch of like-minded freedom-fighters from eastern Ontario.
Richard tremblay November 18, 2012 at 4:57 pm
” Isn’t that what the bylaw in stormont said. Mr lecompte proved how ridiculous that was, yet, two hens cackling in front could’nt stop heckling him.”
Once again Richard you are capable of Reading-or like other data you choose not to be informed?
Those “hens” where upset because some old confused guy Jean Lecompte was deliberately disrupting a otherwise calm meeting.
Now how would it be if LFA groups went to a francophone meeting and did the same?
Would not happen ! Respect! ,but now that door is open?
17 % bilingual stats Canada or is it too hard for your feeble mind to read all of that,oh that’s right you only read bits and pieces,kind of hard to be informed by “bits and pieces”.
So do you believe all languages are equal?
I expect a response!
Well howard could you provide this feeble mind with a link, or proof. Not that I doubt your superior intellect. When I read something, if it’s not all true, or just partly true, or partly racist…its a croc in my mind.
@Rosie RE: November 18, 2012 at 4:49 pm POST
— WELL SAID Rosie… VERY well said… Cheers…
Isn’t it sad that we always HAVE to say, “I’m not against French people, these are my relatives, these are my friends, these are my neighbours” (and in my case I usually add, I am half French myself just to be EXTRA sure EVERYONE knows it is NOT about that.)
What it is about however is, some of the things that a portion of that group (the French) are doing. There is so much zeal and conviction employed in the name of them saving the their language that it presents itself as egregiously unfair and unjust. This presentation ends up TOTALLY reflecting back to the entire group of them as a result of the lack of decent from the remaining ones. I fear there are more that silently cheer than those who silently feel ashamed.
These strategies and tactics that are being employed by the French to save their language is actually diminishing and restricting the English language in more of a “REAL” sense than any of the hyped up ways which were invented and used to create the original animosity that the French harbored in the first place. Je me souviens.
@ TREMBLAY
You are so naive. Be careful you don’t do what the woodpecker did when he flew round in ever decreasing circles.
Read what the SS Bye-Law states, try to comprehend that it really does benefit everyone. No one loses.
You and your supporters are afraid of something. We in CLF et al
know what it is but you won’t come clean and admit it.
With regard to the proposed Bye-Law, you have nothing to be afraid of.
@ all oppositionists:
If you don’t pass an identical Bye-law in SG then one day
down the road you might find out what it means to be deprived of the right to advertise in your own language only.
There goes Ed saying “Even my dang Cornflakes box has that stupid French printing on it! ”
Very few people take issue with seeing French, some companies may not like the expense for a few sales, but really, stirring the pot Ed to what end?
Furtz/Ed likes to do that Eric…
Mean while ..c`mon and pony up more money from your credit cards and don~t get a receipt for tax purposes so Mr Galganov can continue being above you and feed a “war” of words. T.Hart and B. Mcgillis are looking for validation on their decision South Stormont was not hard to accept this BYEBYE law because they are already on the LFA bandwagon…and Beth Trudeau constantly adds MS Harts commentaries on her >column?newsletter.. Each region can make its own decisions,, that is democracy!!!! not a small band trying to impose a self validating war of words…
@ C`est drole
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Each region can make its own decisions,, that is democracy!!!! not a small band trying to impose a self validating war of words…end quote.
I really wonder if some of you folk can comprehend and express yourself better in your own language because you sure can’t in English.
Groups, large or small opposing each other in a peaceful manner, are usually seeking to further some common cause. THAT IS DEMOCRACY, until it becomes a war. Your choice of words in your comment has no place in Canada.
A very small group of women started the fight, not a war as you put it, for the right to vote in Canada? Now think CLF
Dates When Women Gained the Right to Vote
January 28, 1916 Manitoba
March 14, 1916 Saskatchewan
April 19, 1916 Alberta
April 5, 1917 British Columbia
April 12, 1917 Ontario
April 26, 1918 Nova Scotia
May 24, 1918 Canada
April 17, 1919 New Brunswick
May 20, 1919 Yukon
May 3, 1922 Prince Edward Island
April 3, 1925 Newfoundland and Labrador
April 25, 1940 Quebec
June 12, 1951 Northwest Territories
Compared to the flamboyance and on occasion violent suffrage campaigns in England, France and the United States, Canada’s campaign was peaceable. At times there was humour and a lot of frustration. I think you will agree it was a fair Democratic solution to an unfair situation.
Being denied something only enjoyed by one side is unfair and undemocratic. CLF is seeking to right the injustice with regard to how bilingualism is being enacted.
We know it’s going to be tough because you will fight to retain your unfair, unequal, improper, discriminatory application of bilingualism.
The proposed Bye-Law levels the field a bit and does not take anything away from Francophones.
SO AGAIN I PUT THE QUESTION: WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
Ken says “down the road you might find out what it means to be deprived of the right to adverstise in your own language” OMG that would be terrible!! For God sake, get real.
Again here’s the answer Ken…..WE ARE NOT AFRAID…got that? WE HAVE NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF…..comprends-tu? Honestly, why would we be afraid? Your question makes no sense and not even worth an answer but I responded hoping that a stupid question like that is put to rest.
Of course you would respond Stella! Most of the time you’re the first to respond regardless as to whether a question is asked or not. You are the answer to a question that nobody ever asked!
Know it ALL!
Cory
@Ken you cannot compare Women~s rights movement with this Ken… Not even in the same category.. Your “agenda” is to remove valid rights to service in a language best understood by a large number of Canadians.. the voting rights “Ladies “were discriminated and downtrodden in all North America due to a patriarchal society that believed women were inferior in intelligence and political power was witheld..Women were chattel Ken… . Not the same thing Ken>> .. You or LFA CFLF are promoting removal of valid services ..because of a perceived sense of righteousmness over a battle fought betwwen 2 countries nearly 300 hundred years ago…if you don~t believe that do some research for yourself….This “law” does not add to said services /because thisis not an issue in SG.. democracy is not just for one group over another …regions in Canada have an intrinsic right to decide based on their own questions.. South Stormont for example adopted this “By-law” good for them lets` see how it plays out over the next ten years… it is a tempest in a teapot …
Richard tremblay
November 18, 2012 at 7:33 pm
http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/index-eng.cfm
Take what “bits and pieces” you want from this data -I tend to get into data and at times hours get lost .
Make note that its 17.5% speak both official languages to what extent there is no indication.I certainly do no believe them to be A- Government standards .
Speaking a few words in any language should not designate you as “Bilingual”.
C`est drole
November 19, 2012 at 7:47
“Each region can make its own decisions,, that is democracy!!!! not a small band trying to impose a self validating war of words…”
So then you won’t have an issue as each of those towns and communities sign on to the bylaws
Ken
November 19, 2012 at 8:32 am
Thanks for the info Its still hard to believe that the people of Quebec who continue to say they are progressive are the last province to allow women vote!
Thank god for women to have rights to vote,but I guess that they should never had fought for that rights as that right NEVER existed before .
@Highlander, why would anyone have an issue in this region if a town in Northern Ontario wants to adopt any “ByLaw”.. or mississauga or any other area… I don`t live there … so it is up to them..That is democracy…Russell township is include in that democracy and both English and French are protected..equally on signage as they see a deserved need.. Boycott french businesses like was tried in Russell,or throw “coffins “of democracy is dead on Parliament hill in Ottawa if you must… but you won`t get very close now that barriers have been set up…….stir it up….. but leave the rewst of us in peace to communicate between brothers anyway we choose..already….without interference..
C`est drole, very few are talking about removing any rights or services for Francophones, although this recent census shows 97.1% can speak English, jobs for English only speakers are disappearing. Which means Francophones ( and Federal / Ontario NDP’s) are pushing for less English speakers to be employed. Are we not supposed to notice or say something?
4 UNELECTED Judges in Ontario have removed the Charter Right of any business owner ( English, French etc.) in Ontario to put what ever language they want outside THEIR store. Is that the Canada you want to live in? I think it is expected, no, the obligation for citizens to stop a right from being removed. What is next? The right of mobility? Free speech?
Speak up! Show up! Silence is not golden!
stellabystarlight
November 19, 2012 at 9:08 am
Again here’s the answer Ken…..WE ARE NOT AFRAID…got that? WE HAVE NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF…..comprends-tu?
After that line Julie Lec you forgot -YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED !
C`est drole
November 19, 2012 at 9:22 am
Cory did you notice this propaganda from Drole:
“Your “agenda” is to remove valid rights to service in a language best understood by a large number of Canadians..”
“You or LFA CFLF are promoting removal of valid services ..because of a perceived sense of righteousmness over a battle fought betwwen 2 countries nearly 300 hundred years ago”
-You said it righteousness over a battle -Je me souviens and the English PAY right -Cory?
Cory Cameron
November 19, 2012 at 9:19 am
You are the answer to a question that nobody ever asked!
Oh Cory you are so right!TOO funny LMAOFD ,OMG,YRTF
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