Language Fairness for All Stands in Solidarity for Anglophone Quebec Canadians against Bill 14’s Double-standard
We as Canadians consider ourselves a fair and just society and often through diplomatic and military measures encourage and or enforce fair treatment of oppressed people abroad.
With our fair and just society promoting people’s rights abroad, why has our country permitted Quebec’s Bill 14 and its human rights violations?
Bill 14 is basically Bill 101 on steroids and its’extensive 33 pages of amendments of the French Language Charter and and Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms, is a slap in the face to people who believe in fairness.
I had the great opportunity to go to Montreal on Sunday Feb 17 and attend the protest rally against Bill 14 and meet many patriotic Quebec Canadians.
The rally drew approximately 400 people, many with signs denouncing Bill 14 and its potential impact on society. To me this was a proud moment when people stood up for their rights.
These people love their province but not the politics of the present government and their policies of division through language policies. Discrimination was a word frequently heard at the rally.
To those who, like me until recently, do not know the impact of Bill 14, I will address a small portion of these three areas: Human Rights, Education, Employers.
HUMAN RIGHTS:
UNDER THE CHARTER OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE -PREAMBLE
“Whereas the National Assembly intends to pursue this objective in a spirit of fairness and open-mindedness, respectful of the institutions of the English-speaking community of Québec, and respectful of the ethnic minorities, whose valuable contribution to the development of Québec it readily acknowledges”
Bill 14 changes “ETHNIC MINORITIES ” to Cultural communities -The changes may not seem like much but they are big changes.
Ethnicity and Minorities are defined under the Canadian charter of rights and under so their rights are covered .
#56-Whereas the rights and freedoms of the human person are inseparable from the rights and freedoms of others and from the common well-being-“AND FROM THE COMMON WELL- BEING “BILL 14 removes.
Under the QUEBEC CHARTER OF HUMAN RIGHTS
#10 Every person has a right to full and equal recognition and exercise of his human rights and freedoms, without distinction, exclusion or preference based on race, colour, sex, pregnancy, sexual orientation, civil status, age except as provided by law, religion, political convictions, language, ethnic or national origin, social condition, a handicap or the use of any means to palliate a handicap.
Please take special note with regards to equal recognition of ethnicity and language and without distinction,clearly having recognized one language and the oppression of the English language in Quebec violates more then one of the charter of human rights.
EDUCATION:
#58-Every person has a right, to the extent and according to the standards provided for by law, to free public education. Bill 14 amends at the end of this statement “every person has a right to receive such education in French”
-One must consider what is omitted here – So people do not have a right to receive an education in English?
#30 No Secondary Education or Diploma of College may be issued to a student who does not have a specified knowledge of spoken and written French as required by the minister of education.
#35 The professional orders shall not issue permits except to persons whose knowledge of the official language is appropriate to the practice of their profession with the completion of prescribed French courses.
Children’s enrollment in primary and secondary school must be in French unless proof is provided that one parent received their education in English only in the province of Quebec.
EMPLOYERS :
#47-An employer is PROHIBITED from requiring that a person have knowledge of a language other than French unless the nature of the person’s duties with the employer requires such knowledge.
#125.3-The employer must publicize the name of the person responsible for Francization within the enterprise as well and submit the linguistic situation analysis and reports and submit through ministers office forms.
#175-As part of inspection the person may examine any products goods labeling displays and take measurements to verify compliance.
Inspectors may require the production of any book, account, record, file or other documents for examination or for the purpose of making copies or extracts.
The inspector may seize anything which he or she believes on reasonable grounds may prove the commission of an offence under this act or the regulations.
#177-If the Office is of the opinion that this Act or a Regulation under this Act has been contravened, it shall refer the matter to the Director of CRIMINAL and Penal Prosecutions so that appropriate penal proceedings may be instituted where required.
This is but a few of the large number of stricter regulations put forward in bill 14.
I found this one comment to be very interesting and saw it a number of times -ref#32 ” The language policy shall specify the conditions and circumstances in which a language other than French may be used in accordance with the act, while emphasizing the importance of setting an example and of PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM.”
In closing, after the Rally I had the opportunity to video record three presenters who spoke at the rally and had the opportunity for a one on one.
The speakers in were:
Hugo Shebbeare of the Quebec Office Of The English Language:
Norbert Bedouch -media contact of unity group and V.P of Equality Party
Mark Bergeron -leader of the Equality Party
All three gave their perspective on the Bill 14 Rally and how since the Morois Separatist Government has been elected, many not-so-nice changes have occurred.
Some have given personal perspectives on their treatment. The videos will certainly provide better insight into how these proud Quebec Canadians feel and why they stand up against oppression. It was an honour for me to stand with them .
Take care my fellow Canadians
Christopher Cameron
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I hope Quebec does to the English what Cornwall did to the french in the east end .
Silentfrancoamerican
“I hope Quebec does to the English what Cornwall did to the french in the east end .”
What has the English done to the French in the east end of Cornwall that would warrant ethnocide in Quebec?
So you agree with language apartheid in Quebec?
So people should not have a choice of what language they choose to speak in ?
It should not be the state that dictates what language people CHOOSE to communicate in whether it be French ,English or any of the 200+ languages in our country.
The Quebec Government controls speech ,what next freedom of thought?
“The Nationalistic not only does not disprove of atrocities committed by his own side ,but has remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them ” – George Orwell
“In a time of universal deceit -telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell
I apologize for the poor videoing at times for the extreme cold made it very cumbersome .
Thanks for taking interest in this “Language Apartheid” we can ALL make a difference if we simply talked about .
Oh yes to my to my friends in Quebec “PASTA-LAVISTA BABY”
Take care my fellow Canadians
Regards Christopher Cameron
What this information session in Montreal and the very” insightful” comment by silentfrancoamerican tells me, is that language issues are not going away. We need a strong government leader to start a cross Canada conversation and not let courts and politicians affect our rights.
Pasta-lavista Baby is too funny, in a sad way.
Provinces within confederation are required to adhere to specific federal requirements while still being able to set individual provincial requirements. We (the provinces and territories) are therefore collectively and separately part of the same domain(Canada) at the same time.
I grew up during the period that political leaders used Quebec for political gain/advantage. Promises were made and promises were broken. Bilingualism was promoted OUTSIDE of Quebec not inside of QUEBEC.
I have lived in Quebec. I have had a long love affair with the City of Montreal as I have for other cosmopolitan cities and my wife and I chose to be married in Westmount Park, Montreal, PQ though we both lived in Ontario at the time.
The changes within Quebec reflect the political will of the MAJORITY of VOTERS but the changes by in large do not mirror this readers views. Sadly I do not as a result travel in Quebec anymore. I choose to be cognizant of where goods are manufactured and attempt to avoid purchasing Quebec products (or China for that matter) I do not support Quebec based businesses where possible i.e. METRO, FOOD BASICS, etc.
I am not anti french rather I am pro CANADIAN.
Until we smarten up and require provincial reciprocation when it comes to conducting BUSINESS in each others province we are I am afraid doomed to continue to travel down this path of discord.
Chris wrote: So people should not have a choice of what language they choose to speak in ?
This language issue is grossly inflated by the english freedom fighters. I have friends that live in Montreal who are unilingual english and guess what? They have no problems whatsoever. Language is an issue with english freedom fighters only.
They want to control………PERIOD.
PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE in the language they choose to speak.
Wake up people.
“French power” folks, this is the term brought to Ottawa by Trudeau and his gang from Kebec, Marchand, Pelletier and the rest. They bragged about it and did it. You can find their quotes bragging about this online. I have read them myself.
The simple facts are as more francophone’s get hired for all government positions less and less English speakers are working for their own governments across the country. Don’t believe me; Go check the stats for yourself. Francophone’s are grossly over-represented in all levels of government including hospitals, law, policing…etc. No fairness, no representation by population. They call it bilingualism, yet the term is never defined on purpose and believe me it doesn’t mean fluency in 2 languages in Canada, at least to the French it doesn’t. No political party will speak for the English speaking majority in this province and/or country. Practical bilingualism, where numbers warrant… is never defined on purpose. In Ontario, and New Brunswick it now means segregation. Nice eh? The French (they are actually metis, a mixed race, a mongrel, a mutt…not french) are demanding French only facilities all over the province, not bilingual, French only. $ Bilingualism is really nothing more then a hiring quota for francophone’s and that is a fact…just ask yourself, why are francophone’s over-represented in all government jobs and how come more and more positions are being designated bilingual all the time? And just as important, how come they are NOT fluently bilingual? Some can barely speak English!
“Conservatives” have allowed all of these expensive, divisive liberal polices, and departments to remain. How come?
Until the charter is repealed and we go back to our original constitution, the BNA act, this country will continue to be divided, will continue to further and further into debt, will continue to live the lie of being a bilingual country, and all the spin and propaganda that has come with it, yes the linguistic duality lie, the 2 founding nations lie, the french only Kebec lie…See what he really did? We have lived this lie for 30 years now and its about time someone starts speaking the truth openly about what really went on in regards to the forcing of this mess, Trudeau and Kebecs charter of rights and freedoms. We have fewer rights and less freedoms now because of this hoax, this fraud.
Don’t believe me folks, educate yourselves please. I suggest people get a hold of a few books -The monstrous trick, His pride, our fall, The tragedy of Quebec and Conning the Canadians to fully understand what has gone on Canada in the last 40 years. You might be shocked but it’s the truth. You will not hear any of this in the mainstream media; they are just too dumb and/or lazy to print the truth, the facts.
Repeal the charter and everything connected to it, such as the expensive, phony divisive bilingual, multicultural, rights BS and fix all that is wrong with Canada.
stellabystarlight February 22, 2013 at 10:58 am
” I have friends that live in Montreal who are unilingual english and guess what? They have no problems whatsoever. Language is an issue with english freedom fighters only.”
So these bilingual people who are protesting over “your perception” nothing ?
So your imaginary unilingual friends in Montreal agree with the separatist push for FRENCH ONLY?
That would be self defeating for them would you not think?
“PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE in the language they choose to speak.”
Sure the do stella perhaps if you state that enough times you could convince even yourself.
Have you read bill 14 ? Oh sorry that’s right you prefer to live in ignorance and not do research as you might find that it does not suite your propaganda.
For once Stella do a little research before you spew your propaganda .
We have had enough of your hate propaganda,this remains about equality either here in Ontario or in Quebec .
Language laws on both sides of the borders as well across Canada creates inequity .
UNDER GOD WE ARE ALL EQUAL ,UNDER CANADIAN LANGUAGE LAWS WE ARE NOT.
highlander wrote: Have you read bill 14 ?
I certainly did read it. Know what? Quebec legislation should not concern anyone in Ontario. Let Quebec deal with their own BS., we have enough BS right here in Cornwall to deal with.
Furthermore, if the english freedom fighters get their wish, Quebec will become their own nation. Should that happen, why the concern? What Quebec legislates is their business. Do you have the right to tell other provinces how to run their business……..ABSOLUTELT NOT!!! The same applies to Quebec. Play in your own back yard and focus on the real issues of our own province.
stellabystarlight February 22, 2013 at 4:15 pm
” I certainly did read it. Know what? Quebec legislation should not concern anyone in Ontario.”
But oppression of any persons within any province should have all Canadians concerned.
“Do you have the right to tell other provinces how to run their business……..ABSOLUTELT NOT!!! The same applies to Quebec.”
As a Canadian like many others we are concerned when oppression and discrimination happens to other Canafians,and we rightfully need to speak up.
“Play in your own back yard and focus on the real issues of our own province.”
But atlast Quebec is still part of Canada so yes they are Canadians and they are part of my back yard.
Listen my English hater ,now that you say you have read bill 14 do you agree with it?…….now watch people how this closet separatist does not answer the question….and let’s see the propaganda roll.
Thanks Chris for this eye opening LTE about Bill 14 in Quebec.
The most shocking revelation to me was Quebec does not want bilingualism-WTH!!!!
Our country is becoming the face of 21 century oppression of the English language. Since when have we become so backwards?
The whole world is embracing the English language, yet in Canada we are not even allowing Canadian citizens an education in English.
Where & what is Harper’s stance on this issue???
I am ashamed to be Canadian, what happened to our great country????
So many questions, so little answers…
Thank-you Chris for standing up to oppression in Canada, we need more brave souls like you willing to step up to the plate for what is
right & just!
Stella said,
“What Quebec legislates is their business. Do you have the right to tell other provinces how to run their business……..ABSOLUTELT NOT!!! The same applies to Quebec. Play in your own back yard and focus on the real issues of our own province.”
Are you for real????
So please explain to me why we send transfer payments???
Stella said,
“This language issue is grossly inflated by the english freedom fighters”
Really, sure okay….Explain this!
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/02/20130220-135808.html
Pasta lavista baby!!!!
@stellabystarlight
You were raised with such ignorance and its really, really sad you can sit there and be so hateful. You are a real coward behind that computer of yours. If you feel so strongly about what you say and believe, why do you hide? come clean with who you really are if your so proud. Put your mouth to the challenge Stella.
Hey cornwalllaughter……..While talking about cowards, tell me does concerned citizen 2 and highlander sound like real names to you? Do they not feel strongly about what they say and believe? Are they hiding behind their computers? Why do they hide? Hmmm makes one wonder!! You brought up some very good points **smile**
You see stella we do not promote hate propaganda ,but unlike you the opposite,all people should be treated equally.
People should not be treated differently because of a language with 200+ languges in Canada why is only ONE excepted in Quebec and all others are treated with disdain?
“Pasta lavista baby”
Thank you Christopher Cameron and LFA for standing up for what is right!
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemoller
Tear down the wall of language fascism;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/02/22/canadian-restaurant-told-pasta-should-be-in-french/
Great reporting,straight from the heart….
February 23, 2013 at 4:25 pm; Sorry I posted wrong link earlier ….
However, it’s nice to know Fox news is paying attention to Canada’s language oppression!
Tear down the wall of language fascism;
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid867119956001?bckey=AQ~~%2CAAAAybGjzqk~%2C6NfTc6c241F8RVDY60fjAj_JENn4BuUd&bctid=2183450360001
Great reporting,straight from the heart….
For TBM; First they came for…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AO36y78dXAs#!
Stella propagates:
“Hey cornwalllaughter……..While talking about cowards, tell me does concerned citizen 2 and highlander sound like real names to you? Do they not feel strongly about what they say and believe? Are they hiding behind their computers? Why do they hide? Hmmm makes one wonder!! You brought up some very good points **smile**”
Well nothing new from Stella, here. More **smile** and such here again.
Good point Stella that CC2 and Highlander haven’t stated their real names but I believe cornwallaughter wasn’t calling them out but you, instead. Really, this wasn’t even a nice try on your behalf this time around…
Man, do you do nothing else but post hatred on CFN?
I have a question… Is Quebec it’s own nation ? Or, is it still a province within Canada ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_iPTIh-WI&hd=1
🙂
EDUDYORLIK – re your question -nation/province(QUEBEC)
Nov. 27, 2006 The house overwhelmingly passed a MOTION to recognize Quebec as a nation within Canada in the “sociological-cultural” meaning of the word nation (rather than in a legal sense). Quebec is still a province.
Oh Stella you didn’t answer the question:
(MODERATED ,now that you say you have read bill 14 do you agree with it?
…….now watch people how this closet separatist does not answer the question….and let’s see the propaganda roll.
Now Stella you responded after but not to the question
stellabystarlight
February 22, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Not answering the question speaks volumes of how you feel ,its not like your quiet about any issues.
ENGLISH IS A LANGUAGE NOT A CRIME
When will the Canadian government stand up for their own citizens as they do internationally with other oppressed peoples?
This Pasta issue went international and Quebec is looking to many a discriminatory FASCIST STATE.
On February 24, 2013 at 10:12 am David Oldham replied.
“EDUDYORLIK – re your question -nation/province(QUEBEC)
Nov. 27, 2006 The house overwhelmingly passed a MOTION to recognize Quebec as a nation within Canada in the “sociological-cultural” meaning of the word nation (rather than in a legal sense). Quebec is still a province.”
Well David, someone had better let Quebec know that it is ONLY in the “sociological-cultural” terms as they are going around acting as if THEY ARE a real 100% full fledged nation. IE: A province (the only one) that has their own embassies around the world; A province (the only one) that has a so called “Prime Minister”; A province (the only one) that sends said Prime Minister to world functions that only “Prime Ministers” of independent countries are supposed to be attending and a province (the only one) that has a so called “capital of the Quebec Nation” as THE REAL Prime minister of Canada refers to it as.
They view the Fleur de Lis as their “National flag” and the fete National as their national holiday. * You know, similar to how our Nation or countries holiday is Canada)
THE ONLY TIME they think of themselves as a province is when they are receiving our hard earned TAX MONEY through transfer payments that are supposed to go to *provinces* and NOT to Nations. Whether they be inside Canada or outside of Canada.
Nation = Country and there is only ONE COUNTRY with ONE Prime Minister.
Why would a province need Embassies? And why would a Provincial Minister have the authority to hob nob with world leaders if they were only
a nation in a “sociological-cultural” type of way? There is something odd going on here and i believe it’s only THE REST OF CANADA that is being told that Quebec is still just a province.
Section 26 of the charter of rights and freedoms:
The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed as denying the existence of any other rights and freedoms that exist in Canada.”
WHAT OF THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO IN QUEBEC WHOSE RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IS LOST TO LANGUAGE LAWS?
That’s right the notwithstanding clause allows the charter to be violated by bill 101.
In Ontario 4 municipality’s violate the charter “Freedom.of expression “by forcing bussiness to post signs in designated languages -judge Metivier agreed it violated the charters “Freedm of Expression “but in the interest of bilingualism it was fine to violate the bussiness owners rights.
So people is it alright to violate peoples rights in the interest of applying unjust language laws?
Yep….I was taking a break, enjoying a drink and got thinking……
It must be one long, boring and empty life when a person can sit almost 24/7 at the computer, searching for videos and articles pertaining to the language issue…..how exciting!!
highlander….I did comment on bill 14. This language issue is grossly inflated by the english freedom fighters. I have friends that live in Montreal who are unilingual english and guess what? They have no problems whatsoever. Language is an issue with english freedom fighters only.
Again I wrote: Know what? Quebec legislation should not concern anyone in Ontario. Let Quebec deal with their own BS., we have enough BS right here in Cornwall to deal with
Again I wrote: What Quebec legislates is their business. Do you have the right to tell other provinces how to run their business……..ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! The same applies to Quebec.
In other words piper, the bill does not directly affect us, that being said, why the h#ll should Ontarians care? MOST DON’T!!! Not complicated.
What do I think of bill 14……it leaves me feeling indifferent because it doesn’t affect me nor our province.
Like in every other country, our tax dollars will be spent in which ever way the Gov. sees fit……whether we like it or not.
Bottom line……I personally don’t care which legislations are passed in other provinces……who the heck cares.
STELLABYSTARLIGHT A QUESTION
I agree that provincially speaking we have only a “right” in our home province ( where we are registered to vote ) but when we vote in a federal election do we not vote for all Canada, does it not result in seats from coast to coast deciding our united future ?
Stella,
Your like a broken record,blah,blah,blah.
Your so called answers make NO sense & lack any insight or logic.
Why would Canada help liberate oppressed countries, should we just mind our own business & not concern ourselves with what goes on in other countries???
So why did we bother participating in World War 2 or do you think we should have just “minded our business” & let the Nazi’s wipe out ALL the non-Aryan races???
Why would fellow Canadians not help oppressed people in our own country Stella???? WHY!!!!!
Language laws need to be repealed & banned in a democratic society.
Stella darling you flunk debating 101. Sorry dear.
on February 24, 2013 at 6:45 pm stellabystarlight wrote,
I was taking a break, enjoying a drink and got thinking…
One) a break is a good idea Stella. Why not take an extended one.
Two) best have several drinks as you need em
Three) and please, you MUST do us all a HUGE favor. STOP thinking. Your scaring us and likely only going to hurt yourself.
Oh and, does — ANYONE — have an answer as to why Quebec has these embassies? And why their “premier” feels the right to attend functions that only world leaders and Prime Ministers should be attending; and why they don’t respect the Canadian flag as their flag ? I mean after all, they are still — JUST — a province inside Canada are they not ?
Technically Quebec does not have embassies in other parts of the world.
Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec maintain offices in other countries to promote themselves. It is generally accepted that one of the purposes of Quebec maintaining these “offices” is to convince foreign nations to accept sovereignty as Quebec’s destiny.
The current premier represents the VOTING MAJORITY in Quebec and therefore the concept of Quebec’s sovereignty and attends functions on that premise. The Canadian flag does not represent the sovereignty, so it falls out of favour also with the VOTING MAJORITY.
Yes, Quebec is a province within Canada….at this time.
If the people of Quebec that are supportive of Canada do not soon step up to the plate and vote to have their voice heard then the future could look very different for ALL CANADIANS.
RE: reply from David Oldham on February 25, 2013 at 8:56 am
First off, thanks for the info David.
David wrote, “Technically Quebec does not have embassies in other parts of the world.”
Well, i don’t know about you or anyone else but, when i read what is said on this * government of Quebec * page
http://www.gouv.qc.ca/portail/quebec/international/general/delegations/asie/beijing/coordonnees/?lang=en
PLUS, add the fact that Danny Williams has made reference to these as being mini embassies, it leaves me believing that — as with many things revolving around THAT PROVINCE — they think and act upon things in one way, while the ROC drags it’s hands along pretending it is something else.
David wrote, “The current premier”
Yes, another example of what i was saying. The “current premier” calls herself and is referred to as the Prime Minister.
And you know what, i truly believe that * they believe * SHE IS indeed their “Prime Minister” and Quebec is indeed a country.
David wrote, “The Canadian flag does not represent the sovereignty, so it falls out of favour also with the VOTING MAJORITY.”
Yes, that MAY BE so but, the Canadian flag is supposed to represent the *whole * country of Canada and to pretend that Quebec DOES NOT have a complete disdain for the Canadian flag and views their Fleur de Lys as a flag that represents “their country” is to live in a dreamworld. Not that i am saying you are. I am saying for some reason Canadians en mass seem to have been duped into playing along with this insane game where by we go along with accepting anything Quebec feels like doing IE: Quebec being a separate country INSIDE our country gleaming all the rewards that come with that while at the same time also getting all the benefits that come with them “pretending” to be a province as well. Sadly, with the Jedi dude represented by Quebec and the “dealer” being represented by the ROC in this clip reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0so2sOjblE
David said, “If the people of Quebec that are supportive of Canada do not soon step up to the plate and vote to have their voice heard then the future could look very different for ALL CANADIANS.”
Though i believe there are *some* who are supportive of Canada i truly believe that there are many more who are silent behind the scenes supporters of everything “French first” and anything to do with *French in the winners circle.* Being half French myself i recognize that extreme sense of pride that pulls them in *that* direction. After all, they realize they have the best of both worlds right now so, unless it REALLY came down to a crunch, they will keep it to themselves and won’t want to rock that boat too much.
EDUDYORLIK
FEBRUARY 25, 2013 at 10:44 am
I am not quite sure what the point of the first link was. The link establishes that a provincial offices exists within the Canadian Embassy in Beijing China.
That is what I was saying. Alberta, British Columbia and Ontario have offices around the globe as well, though maybe not for exactly the same purpose as Quebec.
The silent ones fortunately came out to vote in previous referendums, just not so fortunately in the last provincial election.
@David Oldham
RE: February 25, 2013 at 2:07 pm POST
I guess the only “point of the first link” was the fact that even though it is argued that other provinces have such offices (or similar offices), i have only been able to find any mention of such offices that pertain to Quebec. Maybe it’s just that i haven’t looked in the right places but…
The Canadian people are being duped. There is the same sense with this issue that there is with many things pertaining to that province. We’re constantly being told one thing when the FACTS as “they see it” are something else altogether.
All one has to do is look at the idea of them
demanding that ALL the ROC be bilingual while they pass laws to outlaw the English language in that “province.”
Same old, same old.
Nothing will change until quebec leaves. Period.
Round and round we go, saying and doing the same things expecting different results. That’s called insanity.
Time to put pressure on the feds to get quebec out, or wait until they vote to leave.
We have no federal government representation for the English, and a bunch of gutless wonders in Ottawa that have turned their backs on their own
The promotion of bilingualism occurred OUTSIDE of QUEBEC. The concept of bilingualism was promoted inside of Quebec to garner votes and ultimately political power. Check our political history throughout the sixties (primarily) and you will discover the reaching out to the Quebec voters by the major players of the day in obvious attempts to solicit votes.
The intention was never focused on Quebec adopting bilingualism but rather on the rest of Canada embracing two official languages.
We as a nation are at a crossroad where it must be decided immediately if we continue down this path of discord, or discard that which has not worked in favour of a new course that leaves no one behind and puts of all on a more level playing field.
stellabystarlight
February 24, 2013 at 6:45 pm
“What do I think of bill 14……it leaves me feeling indifferent because it doesn’t affect me nor our province.”
-It may be that it doesn’t affect you or Ontario ,but it does affect and discriminate other Canadians -Do you not have empathy for Canadians who are oppressed or is your ethnocentric views more important then others rights?
“Bottom line……I personally don’t care which legislations are passed in other provinces……who the heck cares.”
If a law that promoted segregation of a minority in another province that would make you feel indifferent as it doesn’t directly affect you ?
Now if legislation was put forward in another province that restricts french usage(which I agree would be wrong) would you still personally not care ?
For Bill 101 and bill 14 does this in Quebec -As you must remember the least known other official language is English.Therefore french bilingualism is promoted in the rest of Canada and English is discouraged through legislation in Quebec.
admin
February 24, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Stella darling you flunk debating 101. Sorry dear.
Absolutely right ,when one cannot debate their point because its clearly wrong ,they usually defer and put a spin on it .
Isn’t that right Stella ?******smile******
Excellent points David Oldham
Most people may “like” the idea of a country with 2 official languages, until it affects them personally. This decades long game of promoting a law here and there is taking it’s toll.
The NDP Language Skills Act – http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/ndp-bilingualism-bill-creates-divisions-within-tory-caucus-185245287.html – forces hiring from a small pool of applicants. You could have a masters and real world experience, but that matters less than language.
Well said David and some would even call it a “weaponless war/battle.” The English — have been — and are being socially engineered into second class citizenship in their own country by the “human infrastructure” that Trudeau and his cronies put into place throughout the years when they were in power. Sadly, I can’t even say i blame the French and how they are running with it. The most aggravating factor to me in all of this is the complacency and apathy of the Anglophones in this country.
If there is to be a “push back” of any substance at all by the English, it will have to start with them flooding the in-boxes, mailboxes and media with complaints regarding — ANY — instances where the French have crossed the “proverbial French in a dominant position” line outside the “province” of Quebec (since, in my humble opinion, the “province” of Quebec is a lost cause) and do exactly what the French did at the beginning of all of this… Bitch and whine about — EVERYTHING —
It may seem petty and ineffective on the surface but, i witnessed the opposite over the years how EFFECTIVE it actually was for them. The only reason the French will groan **s** about this and try to guilt us into NOT DOING IT is because THEY KNOW that — it is — effective and — IT DOES — bring attention and does — raise awareness — to levels that are needed.
David Oldham wrote: STELLABYSTARLIGHT A QUESTION
I agree that provincially speaking we have only a “right” in our home province ( where we are registered to vote ) but when we vote in a federal election do we not vote for all Canada, does it not result in seats from coast to coast deciding our united future ?
David…….Do we vote for all of Canada? YES and NO. Our federal elected representative is the spokesperson for our area, which would be his main focus. We vote for whoever will best serve OUR needs and not Quebec, Alberta or BC’s needs. His main objective is his constituants. Yes our Rep votes for legislation that involves the entire country, however, Ontario becomes priority…..NOT QUEBEC or any other province. If one wants to get involved with Quebec politics…….move there and leave the peace loving people alone.
David also wrote: does it not result in seats from coast to coast deciding our united future ?
United future you say? If anything, the english freedom fighters are trying to divide this country and probably won’t stop until they succeed in destroying this once peace loving country.
Jamie sweetheart, flunk the test or not, this language issue is grossly exagerated almost to the point of absurdity. Debating and expressing an opinion are different hon…..OK? **smile**
I can’t believe
There is no debate concerning Québec or bilingualism… Just hateful «put downs».
stellabystarlight February 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm
” If anything, the english freedom fighters are trying to divide this country and probably won’t stop until they succeed in destroying this once peace loving country. ”
To clear things up here Stella you were certainly backing up Pierre the separatist and his ethnocentric statements.
So who is really trying to separate the country ?
People who want fair and equitable treatment and merit rather then language first considered in hiring or the SEPARATISTS WHO want to separate the country and of whose values you believe in.
Jamie sweetheart, flunk the test or not, this language issue is grossly exagerated almost to the point of absurdity.
Really I say pastalavista ! Many in Quebec and the rest of Canada are fed up with language laws that creat inequity and cause decision in society.
The ridiculous language laws were for the world to be seen,many,many,many disagreed with these language laws and found the to be anti democratic .
Of course they are because its a fascist state.
stellabystarlight
February 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm
‘Yes our Rep votes for legislation that involves the entire country, however, Ontario becomes priority…..NOT QUEBEC or any other province.”
Yup that’s the reason why Quebec is unilingual and the rest of Canada is FORCED through legislation to be bilingual.
Wake the HE** up and stop drinking the Quebec cool aid Stella .
BILL 14 and Quebec French Language Law states:
“The language policy shall specify the conditions and circumstances in which a language other than French may be used in accordance with the act, while emphasizing the importance of setting an example and of PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM.”
This was from bill 14 In Quebec They don’t want bilingualism so why should we force it on the rest of Canada for the 4%,but wait that has all to do with SOCIAL ENGINEERING doesn’t it?
Pierre Denault
February 26, 2013 at 2:42 pm
“There is no debate concerning Québec or bilingualism… Just hateful «put downs».”
Yes and I wish Stella to stop the hate-we have provided ample information and links yet to this day I have not seen a single link or fact based debate from her ,it has all been propaganda.
Bill 7 ONTARIO: 2013
An Act to create the Twenty-First Century Skills Award for school pupils:
EXPLANATORY NOTE
The Bill allows the Minister of Education to confer an award known as the Twenty-First Century Skills Award to no more than one elementary school pupil and one secondary school pupil for each school board if, in the Minister’s opinion, a recipient has demonstrated the following skills in relation to school work during the current school year: responsibility, organization, ability to work independently, collaboration, initiative, self-regulation and, if the pupil is enrolled in a French-language instructional unit, ability in oral French. The Minister can also pay a bursary to a recipient of the award out of the Ministry’s budget.
So if the Pupil has has all these skill’s but are not enrolled in French language as the majority are not in Ontario THEY ARE DEEMED UNQUALIFIED.
They are once again excluded on language again?What of the many other languages ?
Do you think that Quebec would be that considerate for English as they do represent near 20% of their population?NOT!
AS I stated many, many times before we need ACTION.
I suggested mass boycotts, stop volunteering to any bilingual institution, and make bilingualism a very uncomfortable ideologically to accept.
But no one seems interested in doing anything concrete and practical to bring attention to our plight.
It is all very nice to complain and attend rallies. However, nothing will change, unless you rally thousands and thusand of people.
This will not not happen.
So, maybe if there is enugh of a boycott as I suggested, and the witholding of donated funds and withdrawing of volunteer services, then maybe, just maybe, attention will be drawn to these issues.
I also suggested a creation of a new political party. I know it is extremely difficult to do, howevver, if the greeens can do it, if the P.Q. did it, if the bloc did it, then as sure as hell these are much better issues ( the equality of English rights in Canada) to rally around and obtain grass roots support to form such a party.
The reform party started as a western party dealing with local issues and blossmed into a national party that became the official opposition.
It is time to STOP being AFRAID of what people from the french side and pro- bilingual activists will say, and start standing up for what we believe and bring back a Canada of true equality for all Canadians INCLUDING THE MAJORITY, especially the MAJORITY.
No question quebec is a separate country today in all but name only. Lets get hem out and end this farce that is bilinualism.
God knows we all know the arguements here, and this constant repetition of them in ad nausasm is getting a bit much.
The time to act is now. I have tried to give concrete suggestions , and other ideas to look at, if anyone else has anything concrete to offer, that is practical and effective at the grass roots level I’d be anxious to hear their suggestions.
However, bitching and quoting stats that we are all aware of only goes so far. we need concrete action to further our cause and it may have to be drastic, in the form s of boycotiing etc. to go to the next level as it were.
As for the stellas of the world, and people like her or him , rants and nonsesnse are just that. Anyone with a brain or a sense of historical fact know from whence they come.
Eric
February 26, 2013 at 8:37 am
The NDP Language Skills Act – http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/ndp-bilingualism-bill-creates-divisions-within-tory-caucus-185245287.html – forces hiring from a small pool of applicants. You could have a masters and real world experience, but that matters less than language.
Eric it is very clear that language is more important then education or merit this has been proven so many times.
People simply ask this question to yourself; If the requirement of the applicant is to be bilingual does that mean the education, skills and merit of other applicants not warrant looking at?
That being said only 12% of the population is fluent in both languages(gov proficient) and therefore bilingual requirement excludes 88%.
The intention of the official language act was to provide services where warranted -certainly it doesn’t mean all hires are required to be bilingual and all staff could be managed in the language of their choice -thereby all managers must be bilingual.
A measurable outcome should be assessed and evaluated and this could set clear guild-lines -a measurable outcome of providing those said services could be fair and equitable through representation by population.
Who care what maxium bernier, or any other quebec mp thinks, cares or what kind of crap they may start up.
It doesn’t matter. They are all anti-english rights any way, including many of the pc’s.
It is up to us. Time to stand up, and make a hella of a lot of noise. We’ll criticized no matter what, might as well be criticized for something we do, rather than being criticized for just being English and wanting our rights.