Language Fairness for All Stands in Solidarity for Anglophone Quebec Canadians against Bill 14’s Double-standard
We as Canadians consider ourselves a fair and just society and often through diplomatic and military measures encourage and or enforce fair treatment of oppressed people abroad.
With our fair and just society promoting people’s rights abroad, why has our country permitted Quebec’s Bill 14 and its human rights violations?
Bill 14 is basically Bill 101 on steroids and its’extensive 33 pages of amendments of the French Language Charter and and Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms, is a slap in the face to people who believe in fairness.
I had the great opportunity to go to Montreal on Sunday Feb 17 and attend the protest rally against Bill 14 and meet many patriotic Quebec Canadians.
The rally drew approximately 400 people, many with signs denouncing Bill 14 and its potential impact on society. To me this was a proud moment when people stood up for their rights.
These people love their province but not the politics of the present government and their policies of division through language policies. Discrimination was a word frequently heard at the rally.
To those who, like me until recently, do not know the impact of Bill 14, I will address a small portion of these three areas: Human Rights, Education, Employers.
HUMAN RIGHTS:
UNDER THE CHARTER OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE -PREAMBLE
“Whereas the National Assembly intends to pursue this objective in a spirit of fairness and open-mindedness, respectful of the institutions of the English-speaking community of Québec, and respectful of the ethnic minorities, whose valuable contribution to the development of Québec it readily acknowledges”
Bill 14 changes “ETHNIC MINORITIES ” to Cultural communities -The changes may not seem like much but they are big changes.
Ethnicity and Minorities are defined under the Canadian charter of rights and under so their rights are covered .
#56-Whereas the rights and freedoms of the human person are inseparable from the rights and freedoms of others and from the common well-being-“AND FROM THE COMMON WELL- BEING “BILL 14 removes.
Under the QUEBEC CHARTER OF HUMAN RIGHTS
#10 Every person has a right to full and equal recognition and exercise of his human rights and freedoms, without distinction, exclusion or preference based on race, colour, sex, pregnancy, sexual orientation, civil status, age except as provided by law, religion, political convictions, language, ethnic or national origin, social condition, a handicap or the use of any means to palliate a handicap.
Please take special note with regards to equal recognition of ethnicity and language and without distinction,clearly having recognized one language and the oppression of the English language in Quebec violates more then one of the charter of human rights.
EDUCATION:
#58-Every person has a right, to the extent and according to the standards provided for by law, to free public education. Bill 14 amends at the end of this statement “every person has a right to receive such education in French”
-One must consider what is omitted here – So people do not have a right to receive an education in English?
#30 No Secondary Education or Diploma of College may be issued to a student who does not have a specified knowledge of spoken and written French as required by the minister of education.
#35 The professional orders shall not issue permits except to persons whose knowledge of the official language is appropriate to the practice of their profession with the completion of prescribed French courses.
Children’s enrollment in primary and secondary school must be in French unless proof is provided that one parent received their education in English only in the province of Quebec.
EMPLOYERS :
#47-An employer is PROHIBITED from requiring that a person have knowledge of a language other than French unless the nature of the person’s duties with the employer requires such knowledge.
#125.3-The employer must publicize the name of the person responsible for Francization within the enterprise as well and submit the linguistic situation analysis and reports and submit through ministers office forms.
#175-As part of inspection the person may examine any products goods labeling displays and take measurements to verify compliance.
Inspectors may require the production of any book, account, record, file or other documents for examination or for the purpose of making copies or extracts.
The inspector may seize anything which he or she believes on reasonable grounds may prove the commission of an offence under this act or the regulations.
#177-If the Office is of the opinion that this Act or a Regulation under this Act has been contravened, it shall refer the matter to the Director of CRIMINAL and Penal Prosecutions so that appropriate penal proceedings may be instituted where required.
This is but a few of the large number of stricter regulations put forward in bill 14.
I found this one comment to be very interesting and saw it a number of times -ref#32 ” The language policy shall specify the conditions and circumstances in which a language other than French may be used in accordance with the act, while emphasizing the importance of setting an example and of PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM.”
In closing, after the Rally I had the opportunity to video record three presenters who spoke at the rally and had the opportunity for a one on one.
The speakers in were:
Hugo Shebbeare of the Quebec Office Of The English Language:
Norbert Bedouch -media contact of unity group and V.P of Equality Party
Mark Bergeron -leader of the Equality Party
All three gave their perspective on the Bill 14 Rally and how since the Morois Separatist Government has been elected, many not-so-nice changes have occurred.
Some have given personal perspectives on their treatment. The videos will certainly provide better insight into how these proud Quebec Canadians feel and why they stand up against oppression. It was an honour for me to stand with them .
Take care my fellow Canadians
Christopher Cameron
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@PETER
Rather enjoyed your last sally (in french “saillir”) , a virtual salvo for the most part right on target.
Hopefully your verve does not enervate Pierre to the point of conceding the debate.
This has reality t.v. beat all to hell. Thank you!
@ David,
The problem that has emerged here, is that over the years the English have thought it necessay to give in to french rants .
Which they should not do.
The English, and this applies to governments here, appeased them at every turn. If they squawked, they got what they ( the french ) wanted.
This policy never worked . The more the french got, the more they wanted, the more they got.
Most of this was in th name of social peace.
To hell with social peace. I am sick an tired of compromising my principles.
Canadaians have given till it hurts.
We pay the lion’s share of taxes to be abused.
No English jobs English communities. Why ? Bilingualism?
Or, in other words french only.
A full 65% of all federal government workers are francophone, which is absurd , in a country where 80% are anglophone and a province ( ontario ) where 92% are anglophone.
This will not stop until a Canadian political party that represents the English is formed and quebec is out of Canada.
There is no arguing this point.
We have been at odds ( the English and the french ) since Canada was born.
As for pierre, he is under the delusion that he knows his history, and is a product of quebec brain washing about les Anglais for years and years.
They , the french, and this includes pierre, never, ever look at historical fact.
IF THEY TOOK THE TIME TO READ, STUDY AND KNOW THE VARIOUS POLITICAL FIGURES AND WHO THE PLAYERS WERE THAT LED UP TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, THEY might HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE.
But sadly, they don’t. Regrdless, it is my view that both Canada and quebec would be far better off existing as two separate countries.
I also, in past blogs laid out a plan for separation to occur, in a peaceful manner.
Rest assured David, I will never, ever, give in to pierre or anyone else of his ilk.
I never allowed myself to be intinidated or feared any circumstance or event, including threats, that has to do wih the french, English conflict.
I live by the creed, that I never take anything, without giving “back” a receipt.
David Oldham March 5, 2013 at 8:27 am
This has reality t.v. beat all to hell. Thank you!
So true obviously PETER is teaching Pierre the seperatist his own provinces history .
How is it that PIERRE has a different perception on Quebecs past as opposed to “THE REAL HISTORY”.
Has the Quebec media warped history that much to suite their interests ….hell yes.
PIERRE and your separatist friends just keep getting indoctrinated by the Quebec media,brainwashing is one of the tools of a fascist government.Need not look far in history of this separatist movement and policies are shockingly simular to Nazi movement.
As one who grew up through the Rene Levesque years and lived within Quebec through two referendums where by the powers that be wanted Quebec to be a separate nation, I can say I have seen most of what is needed to see in order to form an opinion on this topic.
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That being said, I have to ask out loud.
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Do the English people not see that — the French deem themselves not only to be different but, also better?
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Do the English people not see that — as far as the French are concerned it’s not a push towards bilingualism and harmony but a constant push towards French first and French ONLY?
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Do the English people not see that — at just about every turn, and at just about every opportunity the English language and English culture is pushed aside in favor of the French language and French culture?
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Do the English people not see that — there is no place for the Canadian flag (or anything Canadian for that matter) when it comes to Quebec nationalist?
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Do the English not see that — while they try to be fair about bilingualism the French have a completely different concept of what “fairness” is?
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Do the English people not see that — wherever the French gain a foothold (whether that be in Quebec or areas outside of Quebec where French has become dominant) that “area” becomes French only – French first and in most cases NOT bilingual?
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And finally,
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Do the English not see that – there is NO WAY this so called “marriage” can continue to work?
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We (the English/Anglophones) MUST accept that if we continue to “try” to appease the French and placate them there is only one predictable outcome. And that is — the French end up ON TOP with French first and French only and the English MUST learn (not just learn it because they choose to) French for – ANY — form of Employment in Canada..
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Want proof, look at the university “d’Ottawa.” Not just bilingual (which would be acceptable) but, French first and French dominant. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4OmXO_ICwrw/UTYZJhZl_YI/AAAAAAAAAcw/rQe54ehLtu8/s498/University+of+Ottawa+-French+dominant.bmp
English is frowned upon. The French constantly admit it. Where ever “English is allowed” it just takes over and therefore (they say) it MUST BE French ONLY.
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Look at the Eastern townships. Where ever the French have gained a majority it more often than not does not become a bilingual town. It becomes a French first and or French ONLY town. (newspapers, the goings on at town hall etc). One example – https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uiXmAIFkRC4/UTYV7Pzv4cI/AAAAAAAAAco/-4y3P4DmNKY/s718/Enbrun+-+poste+de+pompiers.png
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The French are waging an age old battle which started in 1759 and moved through the years of license plates that read, “je me souviens.” And the sooner the English wake up to this reality and STOP pussy footing around the better.
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I leave you all with a quote from a book I read recently. For those people who play these two games and understand the nuances and the “major” differences between them this quote is very poignant…
The quote is as follows.
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The French are playing chess while the English are playing checkers.
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Somehow we must awaken the English and compel them to take this situation much more seriously as wars for control of countries DO NOT always have to do with weapons and bloody battles. Countries have been and can be taken over in much more subtle and conniving ways. And folks, this is exactly what is happening to “English” Canada *right now*
@ David Holdham
I think you’re reading me wrong or, not all the way to the end of my last post.
Anyways, assimilation does’nt worry me, at all.
Check what I wrote, in the second to last paragraph of my last post. I said: ”I’m a proponent of fair and practiical bilingualism and so is the federal government and the provinces”.
It’s those guys, the ones that I have to argue with, rather than have an intelligent discussion, who are against bilingualism, despite what they say, they just want the francophone to ”bilingualise” everywhere in Canda.
Your comment as to the basic requirement for species to survive in a changing environment is fine for animals in the wild, but were talking about a language and a culture here, not wild animals.
To protect the french language and culture, in Québec and in Canada, we need laws. And as I’ve said, I’m not worried, in the least bit, because we have those laws.
I’m the one trying to get, you guys, to get you heads out of the sand…
Those guys are just trying to bury, in insult, myself and anyone else, who is evolved enough to understand that bilingualism is the present and the future of Canada.
@ Eric
Were not talking about Québec. Were talking about the French language and culture in and out of Québec.
And not every Anglos is plotting to destroy it…
But most of you, sure are.
I agree with sociologist Simon Langlois and MNA Pierre Curzi.
@ Eric,
I have sent your link to as many people as possible.
This rivals the pasta episode.
Any one, anywhere . with any common sense, will look upon the actions of the quebec government as absolute and totally nonsensencial
Are they afraid that they will be screwed IN ENGLISH “literally” ?
I ‘ve seen a lot in life, but this is beyond even the pale.
Thanks you, for this Eric,
We need examples of quebec’s laws against the English and procreation to be passed on to the world.
I’d like pireer to defend this one.
Wonder how stella feels about the french are today in light of this
Great Eric, great
@ pierre,
I am still waiting for your responses to my questions and your thougHts on the Tachereau and Duplessis years.
You won’t be able to go to the net and JUST LOOK THIS UP, LIKE YOU USUALLY DO, A LA WIKAPEDIA, PIERRE.
The history of quebec through the 1920’s, 30’s and 40’s can’t be read or understood using an online dictonary
Well, pierre, tachereau, Duplessis, L’Abbe Groulx, et al.
Or have you not heard of these people?
What about the first nationalist , Honore Mercier ?
Waiting pierre, waiting, from a guy you said knows no History, please, prove me wrong, I bloody well dare you, to try
Stella pens:
“To be honest with you peter…..I really do not care what the future holds…..I live for the moment. However, I want to share this with you.”
Stella, this is the most asinine comment I’ve read from you to date. How can any of us take you seriously (and I’m counting now too supporters of your viewponts on this language issue?)
So, you really do not care what the future holds and you live for the moment?
These are your own words Stella keep in mind….
I’ve heard and read more mature and thought provoking comments from my nieces and nephews all under 10 years of age, Stella!
If we all thought like you Stella none of us would be able to be active and productive citizenry!
I’m now utterly convinced that even you aren’t that stupid and post things just to get our blood pressure boiling!
@ pierre,
How come you are ignoring me pierre ?
You certainly are not shy to respond to others here.
What are you afraid of? The truth as presented and substanicated by historical fact pierre ?
Please contradict what I have presented to you :
Blogs at 1:27 p.m. mar, 4th. 2013 and again at 8:11 p.m.
and again today .
Please tell me the french P.M.’s of quebec , tachereau and Duplesseis were not responsible for the control by the English leading up to the quiet revolution
Please prove this to me.
As you said to jamie, I will admit my errors I guarantee it, if proved wrong, well, pierre , either prove me wrong, with sibstanication , or be as good as your word and admit the errors of your ways and quebec’s .
To quote Adali Stevenson, during the Cuban Missle crisis of 1962, :
I’LL WAIT TILL HELL FREEZES OVER FOR YOUR ANSWERES
Still waiting pierre, still waiting
@ cory
Please keep in mind that stella is a product that believes rants and raves are going to change people’s minds .
if you yell and scream loud enough then they will get their way.
( just like quebec)
She also believes that if you say something often enough , people will start ot believe it is true , like she does.
Logic, historical fact and reality is given no creedance in her “mind”
He rants, raves, and nonsense goes on and on and on, without the slightest thought of how she makes a fool of herself in the process.
Like quebec, she has no pride of self or conscienceness of mind when she mouths off.
That is why, her ally, pierre, another genius , are so close in their beliefs. You can add jane doe-doe and our old pal ed, in that group as well.
What they all have in common, is that none of them, does any constructiove and crediable research to support thier views.
They spew the quebec party line, wheather it is right, wrong or anything else. Talk about sheep being led to slaughter.
in this case intellectual slaughter of the worst kind.
Case in point , pierre has yet to answer me regrding my most recent posts. Why ?
Because he doesn’t how to even find out, if what I am saying is correct.
it is, but he hasn’t a clue as to where to begin to find out.
So, he looks up wikapedia, and thinks he has done adaquete research, and believes himself to be well informed.
he has looked up an online dictionary about history of quebec , and believes this to be an adaquete account of current and past events
Sorry ,I went on so long here cory.
@ peter
Pray tell…
What historical facts do I never look at.
@ pierre,
I am not going away pierre, still waiting for your enlightened thoughts regarding my posts .
I guess, you are taking so long, to stall and see if what I am saying is correct.
You’ll have to do a hell of a lot of research to wade through the quebec of the 20’s through to the 50’s pierre.
If done properly, it might take you month and months.
However, I’ll wait.
its like the french in quebecwould rather than deny that the battle of the plains of abraham never, happened, they simply try to bury this, by never, ever referring to it.
Probably too painful to re-live.
Just like the tachereau and duplessis years, where your own kind, gave the English free reign to control and do whatever they wanted to the french
However, modern day french patriots, choose to blame the English, it is easier to sell their propanganga that way, so you and people like stella, believe their garbage.
This is how they try to justify bill 101 AND SAY ” oh, we need our language protected from the bad Anglais”
Not the truth, that the English were INVITED to set up shop by tachereau and duplessis, which led to control by the English, because, both tachereau and duplessis, along with the Catholic church choose to keep les quebecois on the farm, uneducated and abused. This is what the french did, NOT THE ENGLISH
to quote you pierre” if iam wrong I’ll admit it, I guarantee it”
Well ???
Still waiting pierre , still waiting.
You guys need help!! If this wasn’t so pathetic, it would be hilarious…….LOL
cory wrote: If we all thought like you Stella none of us would be able to be active and productive citizenry!
cory….where did your “activity” and “productivity get you in life?
First of all c, I really don’t care what you think…. **smile** For a guy who claims he is educated, you certainly came across as being uneducated many many many times. Because of a lack of better things to do, I will clarify my comment.
Why should I care or worry about what the future holds? I do what I can for my fellowmen and face life with hope in my heart. Worrying about the future is a waste of energy.
Let me assure you that picketing, rallies and debating will not solve the world’s problems nor will it solve the english freedom fighter’s problems. That being said, one can’t have much of a life if their
only goal is to abolish the french culture. This language thing is BS and exagerated plain and simple/
@ pierre,
I finally got your attention.
I believe I posed a number of questions to you, that you have failed to respond to.
I’d appreciate answers, before i can comment or answer any of your querries.
I’d also like your response to my historical accurate submissions regarding the p.m.’s tachereau and duplessis and how they weere responsible for English control in quebec, which led up to the quiet revolution.
As I stated previously, you have responded to others here, highlander, cory and Eric, why not answer my questions to you that I posed on my blogs of March 4th. 2013, at 1:27 p.m. and the blog posted at 8:11 p.m. and my most other recent posts.
@ cory, Eric, highlander, David, Eduuyorlik Rosie, et al.
Pierre has answered my questions with:
Pary tell what historical facts do I ( pierre ) never look at ?
This is how he responds to any factual and historical accuracy that he is confronted with.
Wow , what an answer, he really knows his stuff, doesn’t he ???
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cory, Eric, David, Highlander Edudyorlik, rosie et al.
I see stella, once challenaged again, answers with nothing.
Her responses are right out of oprah .
For someone to engage in political discussions, her complete lack of knowledge and fact is only surpassed by her ignorance of recognizing the skills and knowledge one must have to attain crediability.
her most fervent ally, pierre, ( I can never respond to anything factual ) makes for an undymanic duo.
Her reference to education is laughable and very sad.
most people, educated or not, know enough to shut up, when discussing issues they are unfamilar with, if for no other reason as to not to make fools of themselves.
Both pierre, and stella, are true examples, of what ones looks like, when they try to pass themselves of as both crediable, and knowledgeable.
With all due respect here, they really look like fools.
Sorry, this was the only appropriate kind word I could think of to aptly describe them, as they try to navigate the waters of logic rooted in substanicated fact, in a boat full of holes.
@ pierre,
Still egarly waiting for your enlightened responses to my questions, as are others on this post.
I know, you are trying to look up all of what I have said , in order to pretend that you know something, other than raw stats and opinions based on nothing, other than wikipedia.
Boy, you are really taking along time here pierre. What’s the holdup , what’s taking you so long ?
I guess you may not know what you think you know eh ?
Or, I just maybe got it right again, you are proved wrong or you are just ignoring me, hoping I’ll go away , is that it ?
Well, like the English people here who value freedom of choice and who will never ever, give up on equalities of the English language and culture, I am not going any where pierre.
You shoot your mouth off with garbage and expect no one to call you on it, well I have,
It would be nice to hear your respond to my blogs of today and of yesterday regarding tachereau and Dupplessis, and the questions I posed to you.regarding people leaving quebec because of Bill 101., not staying because of this bill
What was that pierre ? sorry I didn’t hear you
@ pierre,
Hi pierre,
Just a reminder that I have yet to hear your responses to my questions and your commentary on the fact that it was the french leadership of the 20’s ,30’s and 40’s and to a lessor extent the 50’s that were responsible for the plight of les habitants in quebec, and not the English.
If you need assistance in searchinh out primary or, even secondary sources to research , please let me know.
We are very excited about hearing your new version of history, a la pierre.
I am sure stella and jane doe- doe will be buyers of this preverse version moulded in the frame work of a true bigot and one whose ignorance has reached guinness book of records heights in inaccuracy.
Still pierre, still waiting
peter March 5, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Well Peter my very quiet from Pierre and stella when they are unable to refute the fact(almost always) they become mute and after their only recourse is promote propaganda of which Stella is the Queen of.
Thier silence speaks volumes.
stellabystarlight March 5, 2013 at 5:36 pm
” First of all c, I really don’t care what you think…. **smile** For a guy who claims he is educated, you certainly came across as being uneducated many many many times.”
Omg IALMAOFD YOU ARE TOO FUNNY STELLA THE ENGLISH HATER.
Ye who admits reads nothing in research ,no doubt because of your rudimentary reading skills but hey your French you don’t need an education for a good paying job.
” Let me assure you that picketing, rallies and debating will not solve the world’s problems nor will it solve the english freedom fighter’s problems. That being said, one can’t have much of a life if their only goal is to abolish the french culture.”
So standing up for RIGHTS is wrong Stella -so black Americans should not have stood up against segregation and were not many of their issues brought to light?
I guess they should have not stood up against oppression should have been more apathetic like English Canadians right?
Have any of LFA said abolish French ? No! Representation by population ! so how do you get abolish from that statement…that’s right more of your ethnocentric propaganda.
Do you understand what the term means “REPRESENTATION BY POPULATION!
Ca vas
@ peter & highlander
Went out for supper and then watched the game.
Understand this. I’m not an immature irrational, illogical, fanatic, lunatic fool like you guys are.
I do other things too.
What age are you anyways.
Can’t you realise that nobody with any kind of intelligence or maturity is going to buy into your hate mongering.
I participate in this game because, hate, though it is stupid, it is also contagious.
I believe that’s the way Stella, Ed and the others who oppose you(s) feel. That’s why they bother with you.
Your question has nothing to do with the topic we’ve been asked to debate but if You think you’ve stomped with that, think again.
Everybody in Québec knows that Duplessis and the catholic church wanted to keep Québécois on the ignorant and on the farms because they felt they were easier to control that way. I wrote on this very newspaper (blog) about Duplessi a while back.
You’re dead wrong about J.T. Tachereau though. He was a great Premier. A very progressive liberal. He was the first to open the North to the mining and to the forest industry. A great economist. One of my favorite politicians.
Anyways, enough history because, I believe that, like Cory Cameron, and Highlander you’re just a name dropper… Nobody with a good instruction and education would have a better opinion of Québec and Canada, of the Courts and the politicians and of bilingualism.
I told highlander, I don’t want to get into a ”find a Statistic race” with you.
I’m telling you, I don’t want to give you any history lesson and I don’t need you to try to give my any.
@ pierre,
I am anxiously awaiting your responses to my questions and your commentary on taschereau, duplessis and bill 101 as it relates to people staying or leaving
I guess you had a hard day trying to research the material I left for you to ponder and digest.
You should have a “pasta” dinner, amybe that will help.
Hope this won’t take too long.
Perhaps if you took a Canadian History cource in English, say in Toronto, this would give the education you so desparatly need.
I look forward to your answers, you and bill 101 sleep tight
remember, if you use a penis ring, check the label to make sure all the English is removed, so the threat to your language will not be in danger.
From the book, “The Monstrous Trick”
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Chapter 1
How it was done
Canada’s enemies of the past were driven by combinations of state power in the hands of proud men in Europe.
Only 36 years after V-E Day, proud men of its own used state power to overturn Canada’s system of government.
Without either their prior consent or subsequent approval, Canadians were duped into ceding rule to a minority.
This was the monstrous trick.
Oh and this one is for you pierre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KU_3nkF4Ig
From Peter & I 🙂
@ pierre,
ah pierre,
How was the “pasta” you had for supper, good ?
Any English in that pasta pierre, wouldn’t want your language or culture to be threatened over a bowl of “pasta” would we ?
Still waiting for your responses pierre.
What was it, oh, yeah you agree about duplessis, but not tachereau OK,
So it was tachereau that opened up mining in northern quebec, and this made him great right ?
What about his stance on U.S. and british free labor, at the expense of les habitants, the very same policy that duplessis carried out, he continued.
How did he get les habitants off the farms and into educational facilities again, I misseed that in the history I read.
can you provide “proof” of how he did this please, and also how he curtailted taxation
And oh, you know about duplessis and you STILL BLAME THE ENGLISH , what for, being English and developing and industralizing quebec, giving the french jobs and creating the educational system for which is still the basis for your template today ? Those English pierre, a real threat .
They also built the C.P. R. ( Corneilious Van Horne to be exact )
Ever hear of Windsor station in Montreal pierre. That’s right the English built it.
These are the people that are a threat to your culture and way of life. Sounds to me they GREATLY ENHANCED IT. That measn made life a whole lot better for les quebecois
The English that made quebec what it is today pierre.
What about the people leaving BECAUSE OF BILL 101 ?
Why is it that no one stays because of bill 101 ?
Why have , and are , thousands of people ( french ) leaving because of bill 101 ? Are they not protected pierre ?
Please enlighten me on the things tachereau did to merit being a progressive liberal , this ought to be good.
pierre, you have not disappointed. No accurate responses, no surprises, no actual “proof “” as you say, just stalla -like rants and raves by an ignorant bigot, who has yet to grow up.
OH pierre, the sun life building in Montreal , built by the English, the davy shipyards, east end Montreal, built by the English,
Route 15, east and west, built by the FEDERAL government , as well as the 40,( extension of the 401 ) the decarie expressway, again the feds.
When I refer to the feds building these roadways, its means built by taxpayers ALL ACROSS CANADA pierre, the English, AGAIN
These are the people your bill 101 and bill 14 want to screw pierre, the very people that have contributed and assisted quebeckers from the time Canada was born and then some.
The same people that CREATED tens of thousands of jobs and set up institutions that have lasted since the inception of quebec.
None more important than the BRITISH PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM that’s the government uses today.
This was the MODELLED after GREAT BRITAIN and is considered a premiere form of democratic rule throughtout the world.
it is a pity that the most recents and current quebec governments have chosen to abuse, this precious system.
I could go on, and on and on, but being who you are, well what’s the point ??…?? ??
Jsut remembr, quebec is still under attack from “pasta” and “penis rings” Get out those L’office de la langue francais men to “stand on Guard “
Peter, the more I read of your comments the more I agree we need a new party to represent Anglophones.
This excerpt explains alot about various pockets of thinking from province to province, although it is directed to the East.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/06/darrell-bricker-and-john-ibbitson-inside-the-atlantic-canadian-mind/
Excerpt from The Big Shift (c) 2013 by Darrell Bricker and John Ibbitson. Published by HarperCollins Publishers Ltd. All rights reserved.
All this back and forth is exactly why we need a cross country discussion on need, definition, cost vs. benefit and a host of other items directly affected by the various language acts and laws. Such division to what end?
Pierre March 5, 2013 at 11:20 pm
” I’m not an immature irrational, illogical, fanatic, lunatic fool like you guys are.”
-sure PIERRE ,SURE say it enough times and even you may believe it!!!
“Can’t you realise that nobody with any kind of intelligence or maturity is going to buy into your hate mongering.”
-It’s not hate mongering It rights mongering,you classify it as hate.
” I participate in this game because, hate, though it is stupid, it is also contagious.”
Now you Had said nobody with any kind of intelligence and maturity is going in to buy into hate mongering -now that you claim that you participate in thish game what does that say of yourself?
Your so called hate mongering game I want nothing to do with I AM FIGHTING FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.You continue your hate games you were well indoctrinated by Quebec and thier Nazi like zeal to oppress other cultures.
Yes Pierre I agree with you for not often but this statement rings true
“I participate in this game because, hate, though it is stupid, it is also contagious.”
-Yes for some societies even encourage it through indoctrination and legislation such as Quebec.
Hate is a learnt behaviour you are not born with it but some societies (QUEBEC) encourage it.
Wecome to ETHNOCENTRISM and one of the FASCIST SOCIETIES TOOLS to oppress thier minorities.
” I told highlander, I don’t want to get into a ”find a Statistic race” with you. I’m telling you, I don’t want to give you any history lesson and I don’t need you to try to give my any.”
What the truth hurts we provide ample VALID STATS and government data .Sir I don’t want your twisted indoctrinated view of history ,we all need the truth of the past and not the propaganda your state has indoctrinated upon you and many others .
Peter ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE STUMPED PIERRE THE SEPARATIST.
A challenge for you debate I think not .
Yes agree ERIC.perhaps a group that agrees to representation by population,measured and enforced.
Perhaps a party that will stand up when the charter of rights gets violated.
I will never agree to eliminating the French language ,but a fair measurable approach ,unlike what is happening today.
Language laws in Canada are oppressive period,as they do not permit the 200+ other languages as an asset as French bilingual is manditory.
@ highlander,
Well said. People, and by extension societies can disgree, with out it being an exercise in hate.
however, when propaganga is used, distortations become fact, and out and out laws that unfairly target specific groups ( the English , and bill 101), then the hate sets in .
I think I would consider accepting a bilingual canada , if the following were to become a reality:
1 ) that quebec be as bilingual as the rest of canada
2) that bill 101 be scrapped
3) That hiring based on language, be the last criteria to consider, when hiring, unless the job specifically demands it.
4) That testing be equal and that the Best man/ woman wins the job or position.
That to me, is fair across the board.
You are correct highlander, in that this is Not an exercise in hate, but rather, an exercise in the fight to preserve the rights that all of us want.
But regarding bilingualism, the balance has tilted way too far in favor of the french.
this is not only not right, it is bias and creates the hatred and resentment that is reflected in people, who only want to be treated fairly, especially people who have lost jobs because of being English
it brings out the worst in us.
This is what the governments are missing or ignoring.
in a phrase, they don’t give a damm, unless votes are in play.
This is whyI have advocated for a new political party to represent the interests of the English majority.
To have a party that reflects the real and true majority and meets the needs and wants of the majority.
@ highlander,
Thank you for your comments regarding me stumping pierre.
However, he is not much of a challenage, given his knowledge is extremely limited which is reflected in his arguments.
he has no facts to draw on, and does very little, if any constructive research, other than wikapedia, an online dictionary that does not reflect or analysize any of the issues he tries to debate.
Any way , again thank you.
@ pierre
By the way pierre, there is no such person that was preimer of quebec, with name of “J.T. Tachereau” as you referred to him in your most recent post ( march 13 2013 at 1120 p.m.)
The tachereau I am speaking of was the premier of quebec his name was
” L.A. Tachereau” Louis Alexander Tachereau.
He was one of the most corrupt premierss quebec has ever had.
So you even have his name wrong pierre.
How can some one who “plays the game ” as you say, be so wrong 99% of the time.
you can’t even get the person name we are discussing wrong
@ pierre,
“oops”
I almost forgot, tachereau was one of you “most favorite” politicans and you get his name wrong .
Boy are you on top of things
@ Unilingual fighters
”Newsflash, Newsflash”…
”THE MUNICIPALITY OF SOURIS, PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND, HAS DECIDED TO GO BILINGUAL”
??? Why ???
Bilingualism pays.
@ pierre,
Is pasta allowed, or are their language police in Souris, to protect the french people there against “pasta ” and “penis rings ” ?
Are you sure Tachereau is your favorite quebec premier, if he is, you may want to get his name right
Still waiting for your answers pierre .
How much are we talking about here pierre?
When will quebec become bilingual, if it pays so much ?
I would think a welfare state such as quebec , would jump all over bilingualism if it paid .
Please clarify, we all would love to be enlightened.
Wow Pierre, the 50 bilingual people in Souris must be ecstatic about job possibilities now. Of course this is a pilot project in a town where 92.7% speak English, 1.9% French and 5 people who speak neither Eng. or Fr.
@ pierre,
When are you going to answer my questions I posed to you.
Please refer to my posts March 4th. at 1:27 p.m. and at 8:11 p.m. and sebsequent posts that I have written.
You brag about your vast knowledge and how you will guarante to apoligize if you were ever found to be wrong, well pierre ?
You don’t even know the correct name of one of your favorite quebec premiers.
You also have no clue as to the policies that were evoked during the 20’s, 30’s 40’s and 50’s that led to your quiet revolution. You have heard of that haven’t You ?
That’s the quiet revolution, you know the one in which Pierre Laporte was murdered and James Cross kidnapped, by you people pierre. You know, those protectors of the french language.
Anyway, given your intense interest and flair for the historical, I wowuld very much like to hear your responses.
This is especially true regarding people who leave because of bill 101, particularly francophones.
has any one MOVED TO quebec , BECAUSE of bill 101 ?
If so. who and under what circumstances. ?
We need to hear you, to enlighten us and save us from the horrible events that have caused you and quebec to fear English to the point of outlawing it.
Please pierre, your reputation and crediability are on the line here.
My God, what would stella think of you, you are her hero, the one that knows all
Beware of “pasta ” and ” penis rings”.
This is a vile threat to the french pierre, watch out, the french culture and language depends on people like you ratting out Anglos, that eat “pasta” and use “penis rings”
@Pierre RE: post on March 6, 2013 at 10:02 am
Pierre wrote, ”
@ Unilingual fighters
”Newsflash, Newsflash”…
”THE MUNICIPALITY OF SOURIS, PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND, HAS DECIDED TO GO BILINGUAL”
??? Why ???
Bilingualism pays.”
NOT quite Pierre. Or, perhaps yes, bilingual DOES pay in a “sneaky, sign of the times kind of way.”
They are indeed using the majority English Canadian tax payers money to “bribe” places like hospitals to adopt and accept a bilingualism. Leaning on the concept that everyone is so strapped for cash now that this is a way for them to get extra cash that THEY NEED. Course, this “cash” is from our own government. Another way the French are taking us for a ride.
Not to mention how years of strategic infiltration of French well positioned within many areas is starting to pay off.
ie : the two main characters in THE MUNICIPALITY OF SOURIS, PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND vboth have French names…
Chief Administrative Officer
Shelley LaVie
AND
Administration & Special Events
Joeanne Roche
Yup, the infiltration is starting to spread. As many of us have been saying, “if we don’t stop this now this cancer will spread throughout ALL of Canada.”
French services and bilingualism throughout all of Canada when the actual French footprint in all of Canada is maybe a mere 6% at best… Un-freakin-believable
Pierre March 6, 2013 at 10:02 am
YAWN….. COME ON THERE MUST BE SOMETHING OUT THERE TO BACK YOUR ETHNOCENTRIC VIEWS -PERHAPS PQ PROPAGANDA WEBSITE.
GO FORTH PUSH FRENCH IN THE REST OF CANADA WHETHER THERE BE A NEED OR NOT.
@ Unilingual fighters
YAWN….. ,YAWN ,…YOUR PUTTING ME TO SLEEP
We FIGHT FOR RIGHTS INCLUDING YOURS TO HAVE FRENCH WITH REGARDS TO REPRESENTATION BY POPULATION.
WE FIGHT FOR OUR GOVERNMENT TO RESPECT THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND TO RESPECT HUMAN RIGHTS.
YOU FIGHT FOR ONE THING!!
YOUR RIGHT TO IMPOSE YOUR LANGUAGE ON OTHERS!
Rights are rights ,no one person or culture should have more then the other,but in Canada some (French) have more rights then others .
Think of French only health clinics.NO ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE ALLOWED.
HOW ABOUT WHITE ONLY CLINICS PEOPLE?
WHY WOULD ONE BE EXCEPTED YET THE OTHER ISN’T.
@ pierre
still waiting pierre still waiting , come now you have come up with an answer by now, to my posts
@ pierre,
why is quebec not bilingual if it pays ?
oh , yeah sorry I forgot “pasta” and “penis rings”
and the English threat continues
pierre, when are you going to respond you going to repond to my posts ?
we are all egarly awaiting for those precious words of wisdom
Peter,
Take a page out of my book and comprehend that when Stella or Peter decide not to respond to a question – it’s akin to a guilty conscience or an aknowledgement that they’re wrong.
Thanks there Pierre (Louis XIV) for mentioning me in your rant. At least you spelled my name correctly!
Are you a fan of Louis XIV, Pierre? Do you know who he is? There is a name dropper for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KU_3nkF4Ig
This video if for you ,time to cue the crickets ,the vast emptyness of Pierre’s thoughts.
Eric March 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm
“Wow Pierre, the 50 bilingual people in Souris must be ecstatic about job possibilities now. Of course this is a pilot project in a town where 92.7% speak English, 1.9% French and 5 people who speak neither Eng. or Fr.”
So people take notice now the town is designated all new positions will be deemed bilingual all services will be deemed bilingual.
Now where will they find all those people to fill those bilingual positions ?that’s right those 50 people who pushed for bilingual are the ones that will get those jobs.
Really not hard to figure out ,they through thier push have provided themselves with good jobs.
If all minorities in Canada were treated like this Canada would be a bankrupt state within a year .
No more special treatment for anyone everyone should be treated EQUALLY.
Pierre’s own wording:
“@ peter & highlander
Went out for supper and then watched the game.
Understand this. I’m not an immature irrational, illogical, fanatic, lunatic fool like you guys are.
I do other things too.
What age are you anyways.
Can’t you realise that nobody with any kind of intelligence or maturity is going to buy into your hate mongering.
I participate in this game because, hate, though it is stupid, it is also contagious.
I believe that’s the way Stella, Ed and the others who oppose you(s) feel. That’s why they bother with you.
Do other things too, Pierre?
Well, we all eat supper though I admit I try to read more than, ‘watch the game’.
You participate in this ‘game’?
I’ll tell you once and that’s it. For us, this isn’t a fucking game. It’s our livelihoods and freedom to choose for ourselves. But alas, much like the proverbial idiot with his head in the sand, you describe all of this as a ‘game’.
My age, 33 years.
Oh proven so wrong so many times Pierre ,much like Stella her only tool in a debate is propaganda ,and that’s even a thinly vailed approach to ETHNOCENTRISM.
When will you quebecer’s ever consider English people equal under the law ?
Pierre,
Honestly, you really need to respond to Peter’s questions re: Quebec’s history of the 20th Century which led to the Quiet Revolution. He makes a very viable argument there. It is true the powers of the clergy of the Catholic Church kept the habitant in the dark.
What have you to say?
Do you not acknowledge that in the search for Quebec’s own national identity they have become their own worse enemy by their attempt to demonize their non-Francophone citizenry? Which by the way, it should be said (much like Edudyorlik always maintains and reminds us), that ALL citizens within Quebec are still classified as Canadians.
Canadians, that is, first and foremost and not
Quebecois….
Stella:
“You guys need help!! If this wasn’t so pathetic, it would be hilarious…….LOL
cory wrote: If we all thought like you Stella none of us would be able to be active and productive citizenry!
cory….where did your “activity” and “productivity get you in life?
First of all c, I really don’t care what you think…. **smile** For a guy who claims he is educated, you certainly came across as being uneducated many many many times. Because of a lack of better things to do, I will clarify my comment.
Why should I care or worry about what the future holds? I do what I can for my fellowmen and face life with hope in my heart. Worrying about the future is a waste of energy.
Let me assure you that picketing, rallies and debating will not solve the world’s problems nor will it solve the english freedom fighter’s problems. That being said, one can’t have much of a life if their
only goal is to abolish the french culture. This language thing is BS and exagerated plain and simple/
Stella, I’ve decided to embark on something a little different tonight in my approach to you. Rather than get upset and just point out the inconsistencies in your argumentative approach; I am going to assume that your’re not a complete idiot and are not even totally a mean person.
Having said as much; here is some advice I pray you will find useful in your postings to make them seem more like the approach of someone interested in debating rather than just someone out to stir the pot…
My calling you out on your previous posts are just. People are not taking you seriously because your approach with them should be more than your standard, typical asinine comments you spill out for public consumption. Your uses of the word, ‘smile’ and it’s corresponding silliness leaves us shaking our heads, always. Add to this, **smile**, ‘ca-vas?’, ‘capish’, ‘LOL’ and a host of other childish rants leaves us questioning as to the dangers of your ill-witted responses and answers (and frightens us I might add) as to the types of people like yourself who support unfair language policies and hiring procedures.
Let’s break down your latest rant, shall we?
” cory wrote: If we all thought like you Stella none of us would be able to be active and productive citizenry!
cory….where did your “activity” and “productivity get you in life?”
Good point, Stella. For all of my activity and hard work attending university, you’ve alluded to the fact that it hasn’t gotten me very far. And you’re absolutely correct in that assertion. I was raised to believe that hard work, volunteerism and education was the clear and concise path to a successful career and happy life. During the course of all of this, I have even attended school all throughout (even in university, by attending French language courses and courses in French as well).
Little did I know how things would turn out for the worst for me however by abiding by the straight and narrow and doing everything by the book. I should have veered off by dropping out of school and joining the ranks of the pure laine. Thereby I may have had access to government back to school/work programs and could have used other’s tax dollars for my use instead of doing things for myself.
“First of all c, I really don’t care what you think…. **smile** For a guy who claims he is educated, you certainly came across as being uneducated many many many times.”
Stella you need to stop repeating yourself to us. We all by now already know you don’t care what you think. The question you need perhaps to ask yourself now is whether or not you care about what you think.
Now, rather than highlight my educational record Stella, perhaps it would be more appropriate for you as pushing for your arguments to highlight what educational credentials you possess? This may help your arguments, Stella.
“Why should I care or worry about what the future holds? I do what I can for my fellowmen and face life with hope in my heart. Worrying about the future is a waste of energy.”
Have you no dreams, cares, aspirations nor hope for the future, Stella? I’m not sure about yourself, but to me this sort of mentality sounds rather bleak, if I must say so. Pray, do tell us about what you do for your fellow man? Do you volunteer at all, Stella? Is this what you mean by, ‘what I can do for my fellowmen,’ as you post?
I don’t know about my fellow posters but I think worrying about the future is not a waste of energy such as what you indicate above. Imagine Stella, what would happen if none of us worried nor planned for issues such as caring for the future of the environment? Where would humanity be without caring for the future of the environment?
“Let me assure you that picketing, rallies and debating will not solve the world’s problems nor will it solve the english freedom fighter’s problems. That being said, one can’t have much of a life if their
only goal is to abolish the french culture. This language thing is BS and exagerated plain and simple/
I dare you Stella to approach and debate with American civil rights activitists from the 1960’s who challenged the status quo of the time and tell them that, “picketing, rallies and debating will not solve the world’s problems…”
So there you have it, Stella. I leave you tonight with this in mind. There is nothing wrong with attacking one’s viewpoint if it is totally asinine. This is why I constantly make reference to your arguments as being silly. Stop the use of, *smiles*, ‘LOL’, ‘OMG’s’ and all of the other useless jibber-jabber that clogs and wastes digital ink. Instead, why don’t you try researching a bit and becoming a proponent of what you are arguing and use stats, articles, quotes to back up what you say. Personal opinions are just that, ‘personal’ and may not reflect the thoughts of others.
Cory
@ pierre,
I am still waiting , I won’t go away like you would like me to.
Are you simply afraid that by answering , you may again, either, make more errors of fact, or are you lacking the knowledge you claim to have?
Which is it?
You are very quick to try to put down people here that make constructive and substanicated arguments, but slow to react when proven wrong.
Whenever a separatist, francophone with an anti- English agenda, is confronted with facts that contradict their anti- English and anti-deemocratic views, they either hide, as pierre is doing now, or they disappear .
Why is historical fact so hard to swallow. ?
After all it is WHAT HAPPENED.
Using it to put down another language ( English ) and culture ( English ) is paramount to ethnocentric, xenaphobic behaviour that has no place in a free and democratic society.
if this is what quebec and bilinualism is all about, then get quebec out, and then bilinualism will go with it.
@ et. al.
Well,
I am so disappointed that pierre, has left us. I really wanted him to answer my questions and comment on the questions I posed to him re: bill 101, and the courage it takes every day francophones to “rat out“ good, hard working English, men and women that just want `to earn an honest living.
Stella too, gone, but not forgotton, too bad, her take on her hero pierre would have been priceless
@Cory Cameron, Highlander
We can’t answer all your questions because there all over the map.
They’re impertinent and irrelevant to the topic we are supposed to be discussing.
That’s why, Stella and Ed ridicule you, and I guess I do too.
But what can I say. You deserve no better because you refuse to see the forest for the tree that’s right in front of your eyes .
I mean, what more can we say. What can anybody say, to people, when all the politicians of the country and all the courts of the country and all the judges of the country have already answered your questions and the mainline media and most of the population have supported those answers and you say that everybody is wrong, except you.
I’ve made writing mistakes. Everybody does.
But my statements, my opinions and my judgments have never been proven wrong.
That’s because I and Stella and Ed and others on this blog, share with the politicians and the courts and the mainstream media and the majority of canadians a little intellectual quality called, good sense or the forest.
You and your ilk will never have that good sense,or see that forest Not until you cut down that tree that’s in front of your eyes.
The PQ has demonised no one. You(s) demonise the PQ and francophone.
@ pierre,
well finally, he lives and breathes
Can anyone hear, tell me what pierre has just said in his most recent post at 11:35 p.m. ?
1) he never addresses any of the historically accurate questions asked of him
2) he never, makes reference to the large number of francophones that have left and are leaving quebec because of bill 101
3) he never addresses my questions that people NEVER go to quebec BECAUSE of bill 101
4) He doesn’t even know the name of his favorite politican
5) there is never, ever, like stella and ed, any primary or secondary sources to support anything they say.
6) pierre, like his allies, the fraud squad, duck, bob, weave and say anything other than the issues addressed here.
7) pierre, stella and ed, have no idea of either Canadian history or quebec history, as evidenced by their consistent mistakes all of them make, when talking about either of the two histories.
Now pierre, because courts and politicans agree with laws, does NOT make these laws either right, or do they represent the majority of what the Canadian people want or think.
the best example I can sight is judge Mativier, , who agreed with Mr. galganov and M. brisson in thier quest to have a hearing with the supreme court.
Mativier, ( the lower court judge) said that galganov was correct in law, to proceed, however, HE ( Mativier didn’t think it was right ) NOT that the law didn’t think he was, just him
he made a decision NOT BASED ON LAW law and GOT AWAY WITH IT pierre. AS you say LOOK IT UP
if you or stella, or ed, ever left eastern ontario or western quebec, or went beyond brockville, you would see first hand the resentment that is springing up all over Canada.
the people are really fed up with quebec and bilingualism pierre, they ( the 28 million English ) will not put up with this nonsense forever .
Don’t be fooled into thimking because bilingualism has been accepted in limited communities in Canada, that it is the people’s will.
just remember pierre, having spent an average of some 78 billion on bilingualism since 1968, Canada today is only 17 % bilingual, and this number is dropping, and includes quebec.
take quebec out of canada ( I can hardly wait) and the bilinualism number drops to 4%
So your previous rant, made at 11:35 p.m. is to say the least MOOT.
Also remember, it was the federal government, who doesn’t give a damm about the English, that set up the criteria for a community, usually a city to have the designation of bilingual status. These are very, very minimal standards.
London Ontario I believe is bilingual, or can be, but the residents there hate the designation, and there are NO french signage or the like there.
So, in reality these are English communities that have openly refused to apply bilingual status, REGARDLESS of what the provinces or federal government has stipulated.
See what happens to any politican that tries to enforce these policies, they will voted out in a heartbeat, and they know it.
Toronto, Hamilton, Mississauga, saskatoon, regina, Edmonton, calgary, Vancouver, Victoria, Barrie, Winnipeg, Halifax , St.John’s . Charlottown etc. etc etc., the major population centers outside of quebec and N.B. are not even close to even considering bilingualism, and NEVER WILL
But Souris P.E. I as you say is, how many people do they have 50 or so, wow
To conclude pierre, I am still waiting for you answers, pierre, still waiting ?????!!!!!!??????? and like that