LTE: Chris Cameron of Cornwall Ontario – Bill 14 is A Canadian Human Rights tragedy!

Ontario & Quebec Canadians demand that Marois cease efforts to criminalize English language
Ontario & Quebec Canadians demand that Marois cease efforts to criminalize English language

Language Fairness for All Stands in Solidarity for Anglophone Quebec Canadians against Bill 14’s Double-standard

We as Canadians consider ourselves a fair and just society and often through diplomatic and military measures encourage and or enforce fair treatment of oppressed people abroad.

With our fair and just society promoting people’s rights abroad, why has our country permitted Quebec’s Bill 14 and its human rights violations?

Bill 14 is basically Bill 101 on steroids and its’extensive 33 pages of amendments of the French Language Charter and and Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms, is a slap in the face to people who believe in fairness.

I had the great opportunity to go to Montreal on Sunday Feb 17 and attend the protest rally against Bill 14 and meet many patriotic Quebec Canadians.

The rally drew approximately 400 people, many with signs denouncing Bill 14 and its potential impact on society. To me this was a proud moment when people stood up for their rights.

These people love their province but not the politics of the present government and their policies of division through language policies. Discrimination was a word frequently heard at the rally.

To those who, like me until recently, do not know the impact of Bill 14, I will address a small portion of these three areas: Human Rights, Education, Employers.

HUMAN RIGHTS:

UNDER THE CHARTER OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE -PREAMBLE

“Whereas the National Assembly intends to pursue this objective in a spirit of fairness and open-mindedness, respectful of the institutions of the English-speaking community of Québec, and respectful of the ethnic minorities, whose valuable contribution to the development of Québec it readily acknowledges”

Bill 14 changes “ETHNIC MINORITIES ” to Cultural communities -The changes may not seem like much but they are big changes.

Ethnicity and Minorities are defined under the Canadian charter of rights and under so their rights are covered .

#56-Whereas the rights and freedoms of the human person are inseparable from the rights and freedoms of others and from the common well-being-“AND FROM THE COMMON WELL- BEING “BILL 14 removes.

Under the QUEBEC CHARTER OF HUMAN RIGHTS
#10 Every person has a right to full and equal recognition and exercise of his human rights and freedoms, without distinction, exclusion or preference based on race, colour, sex, pregnancy, sexual orientation, civil status, age except as provided by law, religion, political convictions, language, ethnic or national origin, social condition, a handicap or the use of any means to palliate a handicap.

Please take special note with regards to equal recognition of ethnicity and language and without distinction,clearly having recognized one language and the oppression of the English language in Quebec violates more then one of the charter of human rights.

EDUCATION:
#58-Every person has a right, to the extent and according to the standards provided for by law, to free public education. Bill 14 amends at the end of this statement “every person has a right to receive such education in French”

-One must consider what is omitted here – So people do not have a right to receive an education in English?

#30 No Secondary Education or Diploma of College may be issued to a student who does not have a specified knowledge of spoken and written French as required by the minister of education.

#35 The professional orders shall not issue permits except to persons whose knowledge of the official language is appropriate to the practice of their profession with the completion of prescribed French courses.

Children’s enrollment in primary and secondary school must be in French unless proof is provided that one parent received their education in English only in the province of Quebec.

EMPLOYERS :
#47-An employer is PROHIBITED from requiring that a person have knowledge of a language other than French unless the nature of the person’s duties with the employer requires such knowledge.

#125.3-The employer must publicize the name of the person responsible for Francization within the enterprise as well and submit the linguistic situation analysis and reports and submit through ministers office forms.

#175-As part of inspection the person may examine any products goods labeling displays and take measurements to verify compliance.

Inspectors may require the production of any book, account, record, file or other documents for examination or for the purpose of making copies or extracts.

The inspector may seize anything which he or she believes on reasonable grounds may prove the commission of an offence under this act or the regulations.

#177-If the Office is of the opinion that this Act or a Regulation under this Act has been contravened, it shall refer the matter to the Director of CRIMINAL and Penal Prosecutions so that appropriate penal proceedings may be instituted where required.

This is but a few of the large number of stricter regulations put forward in bill 14.

I found this one comment to be very interesting and saw it a number of times -ref#32 ” The language policy shall specify the conditions and circumstances in which a language other than French may be used in accordance with the act, while emphasizing the importance of setting an example and of PREVENTING WIDESPREAD INSTITUTIONAL BILINGUALISM.”

In closing, after the Rally I had the opportunity to video record three presenters who spoke at the rally and had the opportunity for a one on one.

The speakers in were:

Hugo Shebbeare of the Quebec Office Of The English Language:

Norbert Bedouch -media contact of unity group and V.P of Equality Party

Mark Bergeron -leader of the Equality Party

All three gave their perspective on the Bill 14 Rally and how since the Morois Separatist Government has been elected, many not-so-nice changes have occurred.












Some have given personal perspectives on their treatment. The videos will certainly provide better insight into how these proud Quebec Canadians feel and why they stand up against oppression. It was an honour for me to stand with them .

Take care my fellow Canadians

Christopher Cameron

 

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406 Comments

  1. PIERRE
    March 2, 2013 at 10:43 am
    @Peter

    Pierre no argument concerning your opinion that separatists strongly embrace democratic principles. Although quite obviously a minority, they do have a history of turning out to vote. Though as history would show us Pierre, voting has flip flopped through the decades right up to the last federal election when the BLOC was abandoned in favour of the NDP. All Canadians coast to coast owe a vote of thanks to the Separatists for helping us out by single handily almost erasing the BLOC from existence.

    Now as for your desire to educate, LET ME HELP YOU.

    Trudeau required no convincing Pierre. In Canadian politics for the Prime Minister of the country and thereby the Federal Government of Canada to become involved in a matter of provincial jurisdiction the premier of the province must first approach and ask the Prime Minister to intercede. Trudeau required only to be asked and his swift response clearly displayed his leadership capabilities.

    Getting back to the fiercely democratic separatists, Pierre, I am trying to follow your reasoning regarding your despair for lack of success. You seem to be insinuating that Federal Politicians and the Clarity Act are hampering your efforts. This would mean, what, vote tampering? Clearly Pierre if 50% + 1 had voted or did vote to separate from Canada things would be much different. Not necessarily better, but definitely different.

    As far as young Trudeau’s suggestion of a 2/3 voting majority his point is simply that of any intelligent observer; that while 50% + 1 is a majority it is by no stretch of the imagination a clear majority, that a democratic process deciding the fate/future of a county should be subject to a clear majority and Trudeau is merely suggesting that a clear majority in his opinion would be 2/3 of the voters.

    I am all for working together for a common cause however I should point out Pierre, the NDP are socialists not separatists.

  2. Yes Richard we should all have choice in Canada. We should discuss things as Canadians, openly, and make clear Democratic decisions and live with them.

  3. @ jane doe-doe

    Do you unerdstand what the link you are referrring to said.

    here is an English community that has to beg to be allowed to have ab English presence in CANADA.

    What happened to your we should all be bilingual rant ?

    Weren’t you the one who stated that a;l of Canda should have Englsih and french signs, in B.C. etc.

    Like I asked you previously, ,what about quebec being bilingual jane -doe-doe ?

    More B.S. from quebec right ?

    Every province has to be bilingual EXCEPT quebec right ?

    They are “distInct”

    They should be EXTINCT

  4. @ Admin,

    Wonderful flowery thoughts, but if you believe that, then Bob Kilgor will allow you to wear your t-shirt he so dislikes to all of the future council meetings.

    there is no way in hell Canadians will all come together over tea and crumpets and deal with this issue.

    are you kidding me, these arguments HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR 400 YEARS, AND NOTHING, NOT EVEN CLOSE, to any type of agreement or resolution. If anything the discussions that we have had, have gone the other way.

    Look, it should be obvious to anyone who has followed the conflicts between the English and the french, that there is far too much distance and polarization betweeen the two sides.

    Its, time for quebec to go, period.

    They would be happier to go on they merry way and good luck to them

    Canada would at last be free from this albatross of bilingualism, that has been hanging around Canada’s neck since Confederation.

    it would also allow Canada to mould its own unique culture and hertigae from its roots of Great Britian and the parliamentary system we have adopted, that was in turn highjacked by a frenchman, trudeau.

    The Scots, irish, italian, greeks et. al. have contributed to a Canada that once was accepted as the place to come to be to be free.

    Without quebec, we can again make that claim.

    As for now, there is a nine province + the territiories that make up the real Canada, and the “nation ” of quebec, that does what it pleases when it pleases, and reaps the monetary benefits and passport benefits ( Canadian citizenship) from Canada, while contributing nothing to Canada.

    quebec is in Canada in “name only”

    What is Canadian about quebec, can anyone tell me?

    Its time for them to go ASAP

  5. @ richard trembly

    I believe that the adoption of bill 101 in 1977 and its evolution to the possible adoption of bill 14, has doomed any bilingualism in quebec anywhere.

    i lived there, for 40 years and Thank God I got out.

    Let me clarify richard.

    The people of ontario are not against bilingualism, they are FOR FREEDOM OF CHOICE

    No comunity anywhere in Canada should be forced and legislated to communicate in any way shape or form based on language.

    If some wants to put up a french only sign do it. however, if An English person wants to put up an Englsih only sign that should also be respected.

    By invoking forced bilingualism, the ability to CHOOSE has been restricted, and therefore the freedom of that person to communicate has been thwarted.

    quebec is a lost cause, that has made an official languge of this country ( Canada) illegal through legislation.

    They have taken away an inalienable right ( God Given ) and has made a mockery of it, and themselves.

    Does the word PASTA come to mind.

    quebec is truly a laughing stock to the world and rightly so.

    Therefore for everyone’s sake, quebec should get out of Canada ASAP.

    Canada, then would be unilingual English and quebec french, salut and good bye, for good I hope

  6. Peter I have a hunch I will be able to wear any darn t shirt I want at future council meetings in the future…

  7. @Admin. I can’t wait for the next t-shirt at the counsel meeting video. Though I imagine it was nerve wrecking for you it was sure fun to watch. You were justified and right.

    @Everyone, here is a new March rant video for everyone.

    Imagine, i didn’t even include how much bilingualism is costing the majority Anglophone tax payers of this country.

    Maybe another rant for another day 🙂

    Enjoy. Comments welcome…

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    —-ooO-(_)-Ooo——-

  8. There is a difference here jaime. You do have the choice and that I don’t have a problem with. Its the expectation that you have that everyone else speaks english that I have a problem with. You bitch and moan about services in english in Québec yet if I called your office and spoke french (in a town that has a strong population of francophones,) i’d probably get the phrase..I’m sorry sir I don’t speak french.

  9. Richard Ontario is not a bilingual province. It is one heck of a courteous one though. If you want Ontario to be officiallyh bilingual then lobby for that. Until then nobody can tell someone in Ontario that they can’t speak English. It’s shameful that government jobs for the most part are not open to unilingual English speakers and that so many are demanding bilingualism. That’s something that should be reviewed. Two candidates being equal and one being bilingual I give them the edge every time. Saying you can’t get a job or promotion unless you are bilingual is quite another.

  10. EDUDYORLIK

    Thank you for providing that LINK !

    ALL CANADIANS SHOULD WATCH AND PONDER .

  11. stellabystarlight
    March 2, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    “You see Jane, this group does not have enough support in Ontario, they need to go elsewhere to try and garner support. They won’t stop until the entire country is divided. CONQUER AND DIVIDE!!!!”

    Yup you see people Stella/Jane Doe has always sided with the separatist Pierre ,yet she accuses others who want equality that they are trying to separate the country .
    You would think that if this was truly her concern she would debate and argue with Pierre.

    Now put aside emotion and use logic -what is her real intention ?Why befriend and agree with Pierre the separatist if her intention here is to so called prevent the separation?

    I will always fight for fairness ,Telling a people what they are to speak is anti-democratic in fact Quebec acts like a fascist state .

    Is it not up to the individual to chose what language they wish to speak or advertise in ?Or is that up to the state ?

    Freedom of expression is dead in Canada and we all must except we played a part in it by not speaking up.

  12. On March 2, 2013 at 7:30 pm Richard tremblay wrote,
    “Its the expectation that you have that everyone else speaks english that I have a problem with. You bitch and moan about services in english in Québec yet if I called your office and spoke french (in a town that has a strong population of francophones,) i’d probably get the phrase..I’m sorry sir I don’t speak french.

    The difference Richard…

    One of these two entities (Quebec) is a province
    and the other (Canada) is a country.
    There really is ** no comparison **

    If you wish to be silly and *try* to compare

    The province

    — (Quebec) —

    resides inside the country

    — (Canada) —

    That’s right, sorry to break it to ya but…
    Quebec is but ONE lowly province of 10 *equal * (or supposed to be equal) provinces.

    Canada has an approximate 80-20 English dominant language discrepancy and thus, —

    similar to how Quebec has declared that since Quebec is 82% French then the common language should be French * ONLY*

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40F23trVKEo

    — the country (Canada) has full authority and right to return the nicety and make it clear that English is the common language of the country. What’s good for the goose…

    Why should Quebec and the minority French —

    (which btw is more like 4-6% when the province of Quebec is not factored in.

    After all, why should they be factored in considering they they did sort of use social engineering to *get rid of* as many Anglos as they could *and are still doing it*.)

    — and the province of Quebec expect to be treated any differently than they treat the minority 30% English in that province? What makes them special? French is a nice language and if people choose to learn it, great. BUT, considering the numbers and the cost, other than it would be a nice thing to know another language, there really is no need for it in ALL of Canada as is being pushed right now.

  13. Richard tremblay
    March 2, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    “Its the expectation that you have that everyone else speaks english that I have a problem with.”

    -Lets see you have a problem with others expecting everyone else to speak English ,but you don’t have a problem if Quebec does this with french through legislation?
    One word describes this -ETHNOCENTRISM.

    “You bitch and moan about services in english in Québec yet if I called your office and spoke french (in a town that has a strong population of francophones,) i’d probably get the phrase..I’m sorry sir I don’t speak french.”

    No this is not about services in English,but the right of the individual to make their own choices be it to speak french or any other language.Post their business signs in french or any other language it should remain the choice of the individual not the state !

    This is about human rights and respecting the individuals rights and not oppressing one culture in the protection of a language .

    So Richard YOU really are ETHNOCENTRIC if you take insult if you call a private business and you get upset if the person on the line says”.I’m sorry sir I don’t speak french.”

    I would not take insult but because they were unable to communicate with me chances are they would not get my business,but i would not hold that against them.

    You see Richard there is a difference in providing a language service and legislating it.
    Legislating a language encourages and pushes for one language at the loss of all others.
    Pasta is an excepted word through the world yet its an insult and may encourage the loss of the french language !

    Perhaps indigenous people should not call “Poutine” “Poutine ” as this may be offensive and they may lose their language and culture for it.

    The whole “Pasta” fiasco was embarrassing to Quebec and only proved that ETHNOCENTRISM thrives in Quebec.

  14. @ richard,

    Like I said, let quebec be french, and the rest of Canada English, two countries and we go , excuse the pun, our “separate ways”

    Then all of this bickering and bilingual nonsense will be forever gone.

    Just for record richard, englsih is the Majority in Canada, and as long as quebec is in Canada the french will be a minotity, weather you like it or not.

    bilingualism will never change that fact .

    So instaed of apologizing or not speaking french, which I never, ever do, inside and especially outside quebc, it is the french , because of their minority status that should always speak English
    or leave Canada.

    Please leave Canada.

  15. peter March 3, 2013 at 12:01 am

    I wouldn’t bet on Quebec separating.

    It’s akin to the spoiled adult child that lives in your house irritating their siblings in constant demands for more in a sense of entitlement.
    Yet continues to insult all others in the houeshold while holding out ones hand for more.

    No Peter they have not been able to fend for themselves over 50+ years and relied on the gravy train that is Canada,all Canada has done was enable this welfare state.

    The ENTITLEMENT STATE THAT IS QUEBEC.

  16. @Admin
    Writers have been quite busy and civil yersterday in discussing this issue… I’m sorry I did’nt participate.
    I don’t think you were clear, on your last last post as to what government you are talking about. I think that you mix up Ontario government policies and federal government policies
    I agree with you that Ontario is an english province and that its government is courteous towards it’s francophone minority, why would it not be as french is not a menace to the english language? I, nevertheless, do not believe that most jobs in that government are not open to unilingual english speakers.
    It’s different in the federal government and in it’s institutions. The government of Canada is officially bilingual and many, but not all positions are deemed bilingual.
    I would also say that the bilingualism policy is constantly being reviewed because, as you know, reports from commissioner Graham (and others) find bilingualism lacking in some areas of the federal public civil service and in federal institutions.
    To make foundamental changes to the bilingualism policy, in the federal government/institutions, the Canadian Constitution would have to be reopened and, as you know, Canadians have turned that option down in a 1992 referendum held by Prime Minister Mulroney.

  17. Pierre some people believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. I have no control over what you choose to believe.

  18. Coca-Cola is a huge international corporation. On that we can all agree.
    Their policy in Ottawa, now, is that even entry level merchandisers need to be fully bilingual and carry a university degree.
    This is not government. This is the private sector that has bought into the lie that we are a bilingual country.
    After 9 years and 7 years believing that they had opportunities to advance, my sons were told that they were not French enough.
    They worked hard and catered to their clients with a smile, integrity and diligence. They were always punctual.
    In the beginning of their working lives they soon discovered that hard work is not the criteria for advancement in this area of Canada.
    They have subsequently moved out west and they will not return.
    Thanks to all those supporters of oppressive language laws for helping my sons discover that they are not wanted in Eastern Ontario.
    That’s the feeling folks.
    All of the friends that my sons’ have that were fortunate enough to be born into a French household have started solid careers and are able to stay with their friends and family in Eastern Ontario.
    I can see you smiling, stella (and others) as you read this, happily knowing, that more of those terrible anglais are out of the way.
    When enforced government language laws supercede the ability to do the work required, it is no wonder that we are in the mess that we find ourselves in.
    Now that even Mcjobs have bilingual imperative initiatives then where do the 85% of anglos in Ontario go to find meaningful employment?
    We have decimated our manufacturing abilities in this province and now with little opportunity due to a slow economy, language takes precedence when hiring?
    We have now seen 14 kids ( 20 somethings ) in our small circle that have left due to language apartheid.
    This is not the 60’s folks where lots of young people headed west and
    returned with buckets full of money. Those people had something to come back to. This new migration will not be the same.
    Our future leaders and hard working children will not come back to Ontario as there will be nothing here for them to come back to other than family.
    My son’s girlfriend is graduating with a masters degree in occupational
    therapy. She was recently informed, along with her classmates that 5 universities in Ontario will be graduating OTs but there is not ONE single opening for employment. They were told that the only jobs, in their field of expertise, are available in Alberta and British Columbia.
    She is 60K in debt.
    BTW: She is attending McMasters university in Hamilton where they recently posted 2 nursing jobs. Bilingual imperative of course. There are virtually no French-speaking people in Hamilton

  19. @ Admin
    Why the sarcasm?
    Would it not be more fruitfull, to this discussion, for you to indicate where I may have been mistaken in my last post to you?
    Except for a few facts, I mostly agreed with your opinions,i n that post.
    I guarantie you that if proven wrong, I will admit it.

  20. Well that’s good Pierre.

  21. And what you wrote Jurgen is the very reasoning as to why we’re in this mess to begin with….

    With Quebec out; there would be no more of this social engineering push for French elitism in all things jobs…..

    I agree Jurgen. As a 33 year old Bilingual man; I cannot recall how many times I’ve been told I wasn’t French enough as well for jobs…

    What does one call this situation then? Other than blatant ethnocentrism?

    Surely not every one of us needs to be bilingual? The numbers speak for themselves.

    The reasoning why Stella, Pierre and company are so adamantly set against us is because they know we have woken up to this crap and have discovered for ourselves that there is no justification for these policies. They are also fearful that millions of others of us will also start to protest this stuff as well. And then where will they be? Well, they’ll have no distinct advantage for jobs just by being of French ethnicity. Which means, oh oh!!!!! They’ll also have to attend university/college in able to compete for jobs with other Canadians for good paying local government jobs. No more gravy train for them but for the sole fact that they’re French speaking.

    They have also lost the argument by saying we’re anti-French. I don’t know how many times they’ve accused me of being anti-French even though I’ve stated countless times French familial roots and having married a Franco-Ontarian woman.

    But, in the immortal lyrics of a song,

    On with the show this issss ittttttttttttttttttttt!

  22. Jurgen March 3, 2013 at 10:04 am

    You and your friends are not alone ,I have known many who have left that had the credentials and skills but French was COMMANDED ,if there is such a need why not hire locally rather then from Quebec to fill those inflated bilingual numbers.

    Pierre either you are living in a dream world or perhaps just ignorant ,I think it the latter .

    There is full bilingual service in Ontario the courts across the pro once must provide bilingual service the same for service Ontario and most otjer provincial services to provide French services for 4%of Ontario.

    That being said Quebec with near 20% English does not provide service as such in fact your fascist dictator stated that Quebec civil service was not required to be bilingual.

    So Quebec with 400-500% more English then French in Ontario yet civil service is not required to be bilingual.
    Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

    Simply they do not care about the OTHER OFFICIAL LANGUAGE,so why should the rest of Canada care about theirs .
    The argument used to be the language was endangered,yet the latest stats Canada states its thriving so why is the PQ still oppressing other languages :answer ETHNOCENTRIC FASCISM.

    Perhaps Richard Bain is right, not in his actions but his words “The English are waking up.”

  23. @ Jergen
    I want to assure you that this french rights supporter and, I suspect Stella and others, is not smiling because of the hardships bilingualism may have caused your sons but, you must admit that bilingualism is imposed to francophone kids too.
    It’s true that some big companies, Coca Cola and others, have embrased a bilingualism policy in areas other than Québec but it’s not because they have bought into the lie that Canada is a bilingual country. Nobody says it is. If it was, your sons would not have found work in Alberta. Those big companies probably feel, and rightly so, that eastern Ontario, and the National Capital region merits bilingual services.
    I, for one, do not expect bilingualism to be imposed, in other regions of Ontario and in many english provinces, as long as it’s not imposed on the francophone in Québec where the anglos are not the majority or equal in numbers.
    In a way, your sons are the lucky ones because unilingual francophone kids cannot immigrate to those regions of the ROC to find work. I hope your sons will be happy out west.
    They can always visit you and when they do, you can be sure they will always be able to buy a Coca Cola, in English because, bilingualism assures every french and english Canadian will be served in their language…

  24. We watched with tremendous sadness as my father-in-law passed away from cancer.
    He was a lifelong soldier in our armed forces.
    During his last days he expressed his tremendous sorrow for our country and the direction being taken.
    He never spoke out for fear of losing his job.
    He was loved by his men but because his French language skills were not CCC he was constantly passed over for promotion by the very men that he trained.
    He told us that he had been on bases around the world and in some of them, the officer’s mess was not allowed an English language newspaper!
    A woman married to an RCMP officer from BC told us her story. Her husband had a terrific career over many years with the force. When told of his transfer to Ottawa, his wife told us he became very depressed. He adamantly said that he did not want the transfer as Ottawa had a climate of discrimination against their own English speaking officers. He was told by his superiors that he had no choice but to accept the transfer.
    He committed suicide in his office at the Ottawa headquarters after suffering months of prejudice based on his lack of French language skills.
    Just another Anglo out of the way.
    This insanity has to stop!

  25. Pierre March 3, 2013 at 9:22 am
    ” I agree with you that Ontario is an english province and that its government is courteous towards it’s francophone minority ”

    -Why can’t Quebec extend the same courtesy to anglophones minority in Quebec?

    “I, nevertheless, do not believe that most jobs in that government are not open to unilingual english speakers.”

    Ontario government requires 65 % bilingual -local courts are near 80%,health unit 100%.CCAC near 80% in fact all the last 15 positions postings for registered nurses were required bilingual .
    From drivers liscence office to LCBO good luck in applying for those jobs the majority cannot work there.

    So people who is REALLY BEING ASSIMILATED?

  26. @Cory Cameron
    I agree with you that with Québec out of Canada there probably would not not be any need for so much forced bilingualism but since Canada won’t let Québec leave with a simple majory we will be forced to live together for a long, long time. That’s why most moderate Canadians chose to make the best of it… And bilingualism is making the best of it.
    What I want to discuss at this point is your statement as to bilingualism being a display of blatant ethnocentrism because ethnocentrism and bilingualism are incongruent words meaning they are oximoronic.
    So bilingualism can never be called ethnocentrism but, since you like to use the big words I’ll repeat what I’ve said in previous posts. Francophone do not have a an advantage in being francophone or, as you say, of french ethnicity. It’s the bilingual canadians that have that advantage in certain areas but bilingualism is not important in other areas.
    Ethnocetrism in Canada is what you are calling for and that makes you the ethnocentric here… Sorry!
    As to Stella and Pierre and Co. being fearful of millions of you protesting bilingualism… Sorry again but I believe that most canadians can tell the difference between bilingualism in the federal pubkic service and here and there (where need be), in the ROC. and your fear mongering about bilingualism and the francophone wanting to take over Canada.
    It does’nt matter how many times you state that you have french roots to win your argument. You are anti french because you want to kill the French language in Canada by forcing the francophone minority to work only in English… I seems to me that many anglos who have forgotten their french foots are the worse french defenders… Bad conscience, I suppose… Don’t you think?

  27. Pierre your comments:
    First one : I want to assure you that this french rights supporter and, I suspect Stella and others, is not smiling because of the hardships bilingualism may have caused your sons.
    Second one:
    “I hope your sons will be happy out west.
    They can always visit you and when they do, you can be sure they will always be able to buy a Coca Cola, in English because, bilingualism assures every french and english Canadian will be served in their language…
    How ignorant you are man.. one must move west away from family…in order for you to be able to order your coke in French..

  28. @ pierre,

    AS I have stated many times before, your use, or lack thereof of the English language, ( I refer here to oxymorinic, ethnocentric and bilingualism) is out and out nonsense.

    You have NO CLUE as to what these words mean and the CONTEXT in which they are used.

    Any society, that isolates itself because of langugae to the extent that quebec does is ethnocentric, and xenophobic

    They put language above human rights and justify this with they are threatened.

    Can please, someone anywhere tell me where the threat to the francophones of quebec is comming from ?

    Who is threatening them ?

    Why ?

    Where is the substanication of this threat other than population stats that have equally applied to the English as well as the french

    This threat thing was, has and is a myth . Period.

    Prior to 1977 and the advent of bill 101, the french flourished in quebec and Canada without any problems , other than what other language groups have faced.

    Some genius somewhere, used the stat that their birth rate was not growing as fast as the English birthrate , and therefore their language was threatened, and Canadains bought this garbage.

    they also said quebec was surrounded by the English in north America and therefore this constitued a threat.

    quebec WAS ALWAYS SURROUNDED BY THE ENGLISH IN NORTH AMARICA ‘AND THEY SURVIVED VERY WELL.

    So people were sold a bill of goods and Canadians bought into this, especially the french in quebec.

    Now, that enoromous damage has been done, we are where we are.

    people like pierre and stella are beyond the point of reason and historical fact.

    so as English Canadaians I say our only option is to get quebec out.

    If this means the English Candaians forcing politicans to have a Canadian referendum , so be it.

    if it means waiting for quebec to have their referendum , so be it.

    But , dammit , get them out.

    Begin to think of our own political party, which I believe would garner tons of support from Canadinas coast to coast.

    To gage how Canadians feel about quebec leaving, just listen to radio talk shows, listen to the English on golf courses, listen to them in taverns and restaurants , there is and has been growing support among the English in Canda to get quebec out.

    Forming an English political party with that as its main platform is not a far reaching stretch.

    Please do not give in to these proponents of bilingualism and as I again stated NEVER, EVER BE INTIMIDATED BY THESE ZEALOTS.

    Do not fall for the old, Can we not just all get along, crap

    In a heartbeat the french would take down the English without even an iota of guilt or feeling.

    WE HAVE TO BE NOT ONLY THE SAME, BUT BETTER ,AND FAR MORE FORCEFUL.

  29. @ Rosie,

    Yes Rosie, the English have to beg to be English in a jusisdiction that is still in Canada.

    They are as doomed as all the other English communities in quebec, sadly it is just a matter of time.

    The English are second maybe even third class citizens in a suposedly free country.

    All te world should know Canda’s dirt littel secret. That the canadian politicans have never, nor will ever, support the majority in this country.

    That they cow down to the french at every turn

    If you are English in canada, you views and wishes are ignored and never ever taken seriously.

    Shame, canada shame, but there are new winds a blowing.

    Lets get quebec out and be honest about the two solitudes

  30. You don’t get ulcers from what you eat
    You get them from what’s eating you.
    That being said, I am concerned for your health Peter.

  31. Jurgen….let me say this. Yes I do feel bad about your sons having to move, but, by the same token many had to relocate to

    find work. Many with degrees could not find work in their field. They either changed careers or moved.

    The economy is frightening to say the least and will affect many. To blame the worlds problems on language alone, is not right.

    cory wrote: They are also fearful that millions of others of us will also start to protest this stuff as well. And then where will they be?

    OMG……..c, you must be kidding, us fearful……..LOL Now that is truly funny. Millions you say…..that is even funnier….LOL. Where will we be? Right where we are now…..nothing will change in your lifetime. **smile**

    Rosie….thank-you!! Much appreciated!!!!

    peter wrote: Begin to think of our own political party, which I believe would garner tons of support from Canadinas coast to coast.

    You must be kidding? Dream on honey!!!

  32. @ stella,

    since your world is eastern Ontario to the quebec border , you have no idea the resentment that exists in Canada, towards the pro-french policies of this Canada of ours.

    Do you actually believe for a moment, a milo -second, that this will last forever, the french taking, taking etc. and that the English Canadias will put up with this ad infinitium ( that means forever stella)

    What were your words, dream on honey?

    You know, once people become more and more attuned to the current situtation, and they will, the free Canadian ride will be over.

    English Canadians simply won’t put up with it, nd its starting already.

    Why do you think, that when bilingualism was first instituted some 40 years ago, that with all the monies poured into this , that a mere 17% , if that are bilingual.

    And this figure includes quebec. Take quebec out of the equation and the number reduces to 4%

    So stella, the dreams of the dreamers, like you and Jane Doe-Doe and pierre, (I have not clue as to what I am talking about ever) will fade, and fade quebec OUT OF MY COUNTRY CANADA, ASAP

    If you don’t believe this can happen, look at history.

    no one ever believed that the P.Q. would do what it has done.

    no one ever, believed a man could walk on the moon,

    No one ever believed that a separatist party would ever sit in the house of Commons

    no one ever, believed that quebec would become the xenophobic, ethnocentric, anti-English and anti- democratic
    society it is today, with its nazi-like laws and dictorical enforcement by civil servants that are playing the role of the brown shirts in nazi germany

    So, please , our dreams and realities , will soon become your nightmares

    oh yeah *** smile **** ****smile *****

  33. The original intent of The official languages act was to provide services where numbers warrant.
    I have always been a strong proponent of PRACTICAL bilingualism.
    To have PRACTICAL bilingualism in a multicultural country is the only thing that would make sense on so many levels.
    Think about it Stella, we could provide services on an equal scale for ALL of Canada’s languages.
    On a side note based on the knowledgeable people on this blog, I have a few questions.
    Why would anyone, elected by the people of the province of Ontario, to represent ONTARIANS’ best interest, get the star of France?
    The highest award that the country of France would give their best people has been given to how many francophone MPP’s from this province?
    What did they do for France while working for us?

  34. To be honest with you peter…..I really do not care what the future holds…..I live for the moment. However, I want to share this with you.

    As far as I am concerned, there is more to life then this BS. Even though I come here, to share my thoughts (whether you want to read them or not is irrelevant) as for me, it is not an obsession like it has become for SOME of the english freedom fighters.

    Like Churchill once said “A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject” Even though time and time again you were proven wrong by many, almost two years later, the english freedom fighters are still at it.

    If the entire country, or like cory says millions are behind you guys…..why are you all still debating the language BS. With that kind of support, one would think that by now, you would feel secure enough to move on. I guess it is safe to say that you are far from having the support you claim you have. If Chris and his followers have to run to Montreal to garner more support, that in itself speaks volumes.

    Do what you have to do, but for heaven’s sake, do the majority a favor and drop it.

  35. RE: POST by Jurgen on March 3, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Highlander is right, the situation you and your family find yourselves in is NOT “a one off type of situation.”
    I myself have a similar story and I have personally spoken to many others who tell a similar tale.

    This whole thing goes back to the early days for many of us who used to live inside the “province” of Quebec. Bill 101 came into effect and Anglophones just basically decided that was it, this is NOT worth fighting for, and left. Many companies pulled up root and moved their headquarters to Toronto as well.

    One thing we (the Anglophones) – must not — kid ourselves about is the fact that the French and Quebec — DO NOT — view Anglos leaving and these companies uprooting as a bad thing or something that is harmful to them.

    NO, they don’t.

    They — DON’T CARE — how many Anglos leave. It’s EXACTLY what they want. That is their goal. Mattter of fact they are probably annoyed at the ones who remain thinking, — c’mon, we’ve done everything possible to make life difficult for you. Why don’t you just GO? –
    They simply want to flush out all the Anglos and then end up with their own little — French only — bastion.

    They have a dream for Quebec and they – will do whatever it takes to achieve that dream —

    Meanwhile in the ROC they operate using the “fake concept” of “official bilingualism” which actually SHOULD be known as what it ends up ultimately being which is, “French dominance.” Don’t believe me. Look for yourself.

    In just about every place where the French become dominant outside of Quebec it turns into French ONLY and NOT bilingualism. The Montfort hospital is an example. Check out their job listings. there is nothing about them that is bilingual. It’s ALL French. Vanier, Ontario is another example.

    Many of the Eastern townships where “bilingualism is supposed to be the ideal. Nope. Yes again, where there is a French dominance it becomes French only, or at the minimum French first or French dominant.

    If I am not mistaken (feel free to correct me If I am wrong) the Rockalnd, Ontario city hall is completely run in French – only — and the newspaper in that area is French only.

    Yes, when the French started this take over of Quebec, everyone just ran and abandoned it. There was good reason for that as everyone realized that nothing was going to stop them from taking Quebec. BUT, Ontario and places outside Quebec are a different story. We ** must ** stop running and moving away only to leave a void for them to fill. We MUST somehow convince our children and everyone who is thinking of running or moving that it is better that we **all** join forces and push back.

    Otherwise, no matter where we run to, it will just be a matter of an ever increasing exponentially smaller time frame before they are next in that area also. If you think this is not possible guess again, once they have control of government and the courts (which is practically 100% now) they can use those tools for even the staunchest areas of resistance.

    There is nothing wrong with standing up for the English language and the English culture in *our* country.

  36. @ Stella
    Salutations!
    @ Highlander
    Anybody who says that the cost of bilingualism is 10B when it’s 2.8B cannot be trusted as a rechercher and francophone are, dispite the efforts of governments, still being assimilated in the ROC (check language spoken at home stats.)
    @ Rosie
    How ignorant you are, woman. Bilingualism is not just about being able to buy a coke.
    People who are bilingual are not ignorant. It’s the other way around
    @ Peter
    The proof that the existance of the french language is fragile and must be pretected is all around us as anybody with open eyes and an open mind can see it…
    23% of the population of Canada, Peter
    2% of the population of North America, Peter.
    If you can’t understand that these statistics alone prove that
    french needs special protection, well, all I can say is, don’t get involved in canadian politics. You’d be wasting your time.
    You ask who’s threatening the french language. Good question.
    I could say that you guys are but, you are too insignifiant to ever do any real damage.
    Anglo quebecers who refuse to speak french threaten the french language and culture…
    But, to be honest, it’s the francophone ourselves, some of us, anyways, who put the future of our language at risk, by not standing up for it.
    You have to be living on an other planet to believe that french fllourished before the quiet revolution. The anglos controled everything and the french, basicaly, were water carriers, who were told that they had to speak white.
    Pick up any book on the subject and you’ll know better than to say ignorant stuff like that.
    You talk about reason and historical fact but all you display is sick emotion and absolutely no historical facts.

    @ Jergen
    ”The intent of the official languages act was to provide services where numbers warrant. I have always been a strong proponant of practical bilingualism”…
    Jergen, you sound like those radio broadcasters, you know, in the mega city. They used to say that to appear fair and to camouflage their real intent which was to make you(s) refute any amount of bilingualism. And, of course, to play on your emotions because it’s was good for the ratings.

  37. @ stella

    Please qoute any primary or secondary sources to prove we were wrong.

    My your own admission you do no research. so please enlighten us on where our facts went astray so we may correct ourselves.

    Have you conducted a poll we are unaware of stella, in that you can speak for the majority in this country ( English in Canada)

    Been out west lately, to B. C,, how about Toronto, or Mosse Jaw, NOT MOOSE CREEK, THIS mOOSE IS IN sASKATCHEWAN.

    As for Mr. Churchill`s quote, I find it ironic that you would quote a former ENGLISH prime Minister , especially since you probably have no clue into the quote`s meaning, nor the context in which it was referrring.

    AS stated previously, it takes time and patience, and Rome wasn`t built in a day but it was built.

    Our fight WILL MEVER, EVER, END, its how e won the war.

    Just remember stealla it was because of the British, Americans,and Canadians, that france today is not speaking German.

    These are ENGLISH Nations that liberated France

  38. Pierre March 4, 2013 at 11:09 am

    ” Anybody who says that the cost of bilingualism is 10B when it’s 2.8B cannot be trusted as a rechercher and francophone are, dispite the efforts of governments, still being assimilated in the ROC (check language spoken at home stats.)”

    First of all this so called 2.4 billion is low balling it and not including provincial costs either.Mr.Allen a reputable financial researcher has given estimates of over 10 billion yearly.

    As for your so called assimilation you view point is mute .
    Is it the governments mandate to tell people to speak the language they dictate in their own home?
    You really are ETHNOCENTRIC!

    If the person in their own home choose to speak mandarin what right does the government have to tell them otherwise !
    It the choice of the individual and not the state otherwise its socialism.
    The choice of language is not for the STATE to dictate,over 200 languages spoken in Canada.

    ” People who are bilingual are not ignorant. It’s the other way around”

    So now your saying that nearly 83 % of Canada is ignorant?
    That says it all folks.

    “The proof that the existance of the french language is fragile and must be pretected is all around us as anybody with open eyes and an open mind can see it…”

    What of the native languages that are near extinction? Last stats indicated that French is nowhere near threatened ,so is the French language deemed more important to protect then the near extinct native languages ?

    “Anglo quebecers who refuse to speak french threaten the french language and culture…”

    My what an Ethnocentric statement -explain to the fine folks here that not speaking another cultures language is threatening that language????

    ” The anglos controled everything and the french, basicaly, were water carriers, who were told that they had to speak white.”

    Another Ethnocentric statement -if you want to put blame on why tell me why does the anglophones in Quebec 17-19% pay approx 40% of the taxes ? Education they tend to be more educated.

    With Quebecs past blame the church as followers were told to have many children and education wasn’t the priority as an educated people are harder to control.

    Besides Quebec has the largest welfare population in the country.

    ” They used to say that to appear fair and to camouflage their real intent which was to make you(s) refute any amount of bilingualism.”
    So you are not a proponent of fair practical bilingualism ,not surprised Mr.Separatist its all about French first for us its Canada first and that includes the many other cultures that helped build this country.
    All of those other cultures your fascist government in Quebec oppresses.

    A true democracy (not Canada) would implement representation by population,as this is measurable and fair and equitable for ALL.

  39. @ pierre,

    Still walking in a house, in the dark, with no lights on .

    Again here we go, and please answer my questions as opposed to not commenting

    1) if the English are so insignificant, then why is bill 101 in, your minds so necessary?

    2) How does the English , which is one seventh of the quebec population , by not speaking french damage the french population. Please I’d love to hear the answer to that question.

    3) The anglos controlled quebec economically for 2 main reasons:

    a) Taschereau

    b) Duplessis

    If you read your quebec “history ” at all, peirre, you would know that the country of Canada, under P.M. MacKenzie King, offered both of these premiers of quebec financial assistance to educate and industralize quebec in the 1930’s and 1940’s

    Both Tachereau and duplessis REFUSED

    They CHOOSE to keep the quebecois on the farms and ignorant and INVITE BRITISH AND U.S. FIRMS to come to quebec with the enticement of cheap labor, les habitants on farms and low taxes.

    Therefore, the control the English had as the 1950″s and 1960″s came , was given to te English by 2 french premiers.

    As a result, of studying under Lionel L’Abbe Groulx, the second of the french nationalists ( the first was Honore Mercier) , the first modern separatists began to instsitute the quiet revolution of quebec in the 1960″s.

    Sp pierre, I strongly, suggest that when you say to me read my History books, that, as usual, you know not what you say.

    I have forgotten more history than you know .

    As you say CHECK IT OUT

    The english, never eveer, conscienciously wanted to control quebec.

    however, Tachereau ans Duplessis did.

    by keeping the french ignorant and on the farm until, the thirities, they then had an abundance of cheap labor to offer the British and U.S. companies that were bribed by these premiers to come in and take over. They made money and a percentage of what they made went into the pockets of the politicians.

    A large percentage. this is historical fact.

    Beacuse there was no educated francophones, the majority of jobs went to the anglophones , who valued education far more than the french did in thoses days.

    Plus duplessis purposely kept these french workers from ever getting an education, so he, along with tachereau could pad their own pockets.

    These facts are never ever been mentioned by the nationalists and separatists, because they are afraid the quebec populace will know the truth.

    Pierre, Canada and the English, never ever wanted to control or make the french sub -serbient. It would be counter productive to Canada’s interests.

    this was a myth purpatrated by the quebec nationalists in oder to gain power.

    Take a real hard look at the quebec of the 1920’s 30’s and 40’s to see how the quebec premiers were happy to keep the quebec habitants on the farm and uneducated. They also did this with Catholic church’s approval.

    they wanted to keep the old seigneurial system, which had been outdated since world war 1 ended.

    pierre, Canada wanted a vibrant quebec and offered help, but it was quebec’s premiers that rejected canadian offers of education and industralization that resulted in English control

  40. Pierre, your offer to view the stats for language spoken most at home (English 21,457,075 = 64.8% & French 6,827,860 = 20.6%) needs to be broken down by province which would alter the numbers and give better representation. Quebec results are 78.9% as having French mother tongue and the rest of Canada having English at 73.1%. Of course, the bilingualism rate for all of Canada is still only 17.5% even with Quebec‘s self reporting number of 42.6% and all the money thrown at bilingualism since the Official Languages Act.

    As you asked about the cost, we may not all be looking at the same reasons for cost. Do you include adult language training, the teachers, class rooms, maintenance, administration, and replacement workers while training even? How about elementary / secondary / college / university costs? (Ontario puts in about 2 billion for elementary / high schools alone)
    Do you add translators, typists, computer programs, posters, web sites, duplication at the copier expenses, double signage and on and on.

    Can you tell me which rights Francophones do not have?

  41. @peter March 4, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    AND
    Eric March 4, 2013 at 2:10 pm.

    Thank you. Both those posts were VERY informative and appreciated.

  42. @ Highlander
    From the Fraser institute, date of release Jan.16, 2012.
    Federal and provincial bilingualism requirements cost to the Canadian taxpayers. Provinces spent 900 million, the federal spends 1.5B.
    Total 2.4B
    I think I’ll believe the Fraser institute over your Mr. Allen who may even be fictional. But, I don’t want to get into a ”find a statistic race” with you
    You’re just too silly, highlander and I ‘d prefer to demonstrate that. It’s easier.

    Assimilation of the francophone does exists in Canada. That too is easy to demonstrate. Some of your ilk, right here on this blog, confess that they have french roots and that they don’t even speak the language anymore (sic).
    The situation, however, is getting better because the governments are taking care of bussiness (good).
    Again, you use words that you don’t know the meaning of.
    Ethnocertricity is not always a bad thing.
    We are not in nazi Germany, which is the example of what I call bad (the worse) ethnocentricity.
    I bring this up, because, all be it, generally considered a bad state of mind, ethnocentricity can sometimes be a good thing.
    Québec and many other states or regions, of countries, who, rightfully, want to protect their languages or cultures or religions etc. can be considered ethnocentric and, most people would say that, that is good ethnocentricity as long as the measures undertaken too reach their ends are fair and democratic.
    You, on the other hand, want to turn Canada into an bad ethnocentric country with only one language and culture.
    It’s bad because it was founded by two recognized people.
    And you are a bad ethnocentrist.
    Get it? Of course you don’t.

    No government in the free world tells people to speak any peticular language in their homes and if you’re suggesting that’s what the PQ is doing it, well … Wake up, wake up your having your recurrent nightmare again… If it keeps happening, you should counsult a psychiatrist… I know a good one, in Montreal. He’s francophone but he’s allowed to speak english.

    The anglos of Québec who refuse to speak french are forcing the francophone to speak english. That’s not hard to understand. Of course it’s not a big problem as long as it’s not too widespread, but if it were to happen too much well, you don’t have to be a 100W lightbulb to understand that it would, in time, weaken/kill the French language.
    That’s why they have segratetion (good segragation) in some
    school busses in eastern Ontario.

    Another lie. The anglophone in Québec do not pay 40% of the taxes. Some of them are in the higher tax bracket as they make more money. they have less of a drop out problem because they are so pampered by the government.
    Here a statistic you can check out. Quebec anglos are 8.3% of the student population. they get 29% of the provincial financing for universities, 18% for the provincial financing for english colleges.
    25% frequent english universities
    Half, 50% of the university students leave Québec when they graduate.
    That must be why, the federal does’nt mind paying those equalization payments, eh?
    Québec may have more people on welfare but that’s because it’s so large. Percentage wise it’s not it’s not that bad. More misinformation on your part. What’s the point? Is that the reason you hate us so much?
    Are we not supposed to care for the poor?

    I am a proponent of fair and practical bilingualism and so is the govermnent of Canada and all the provinces. That why we have bilingualism in the federal government and it’s institutions, where need be. Some in Manitoba and in Saskatchewan, where need be. More in New Brunswick, where more need be. there is also some bilingualism in Ontario and in other more unilingual provinces because they are respectful of their francophone minority and of the true nature of Canada.

    The trouble with you(s) is that, dispite the fact that you say that you want practical bilingualism you attack bilingualism where ever you see it…So you fool nobody.
    Representation by population is what we’ve got everywhere in Canada as we get whom ever we elect.

  43. @ pierre,

    Are you going to hide, and not answer the questions I posed to you?

    Are you not going to acknowledge the historical fact, when presented to you, with substanication ( proof pierre)

    Your very own french premiers , tachereau and duplessis, were directly responsible for English control in the years that led up to the quiet revolution , what is your response to that pierre?

    Are you going to blame the English for something your own politicians created ?

    What was your comment about me , go read a history book or I don’t know any history , something to that effect ?

    Your 6:20p.m. post, again, a lot of ranting and raving with no back up or as you say proof.

    Tell me pierre, did the anglos speak more or less french before biill 101 ?

    Did the french language disappear between say 1534 and 1976, or were there an abundance of francophones living and working in quebec ?

    Ever hear of pierre Paladeau? Bombardier? the Trudeaus ?

    These are but a few of the extremely wealthy francophones that did pretty well pre-bill 101 no?

    What about M. Demerais ? M. Laplante ? and on and on

    I lived in Montreal for 40 years, was a university graduate, and stayed in Montreal for 19 years “after” I graduated from McGill.

    I left because of bill 101 , and to my knowledge NO ONE has ever stayed “because” of bill 101 , but thousands of university graduates both FRENCH AND ENGLISH “left” because of bill 101

    You see pierre, as much as this bill is racist, discriminatory and bias against the English, it is restrictive, prohibited and undemocratic against the FRENCH, the very people it claims to protect.

    Many a french family and french graduate, realizing that English is outlawed in business and is the INTERNATIONL LANGUAGE OF THE WORLD, cannot get thier children an education, in the world’s most used and reognized language . So they leave.

    They leave to have CHOICE pierre. The reasonable, well educated francophones that leave are a loss to quebec and a gain to Canada.

    They left because of RECTRICTIVE AND COUNTER PRODUCTIVE LAW. Bill 101

    They don’t advertise this, because the french in quebec would consider them as traitors to Les Anglais. So they leave very quietly pierre.

    They also know and appreciate that Canada nad the English langiuage is no threat at all to the feench fact in quebec and NEVER WAS.

    The frecnh that remain, become are at a far more disadvantage than the English in quebec, because they are RESTRICTED.

    Are you completey brain dead so as not ot see this ?

    Like I , and others have said here, quebec puts the french LANGUAGE ABOVE ALL ELSE

    All they SEE is he fleur de lyis , french, french, french, to the point where they obsessed with this nationalistic fevor consumes tgem 24 hours a day

    Does the word PASTA ring a bell here ? Talk about making themselves the laughing stock of the world.

    An office de la langue francais goes to a restaurant and demansds that a french version of the word pasta be CREATED , and this is a threat ot your language pierre.

    When this report hit the world press it made a mockrery out of quebec , and rightly so.

    The use of the fench language and the extent to wich quebec protects it is totally absurd.

    No jurisdiction in the world, has gone to such lengthts to protect something that needs no protection at all.

    It ( the french language in quebec ) has priority above the economy, human rights, education and FREEDOM OF CHOICE

    That in a nutshell represents a xenaphobic and ethnocentric society, isolated and consumed by bias and prejudice.

    I truly feel sorry, for people like you, that have bought into this in quebec.

    Your futures in the free world have been tainted and your sense of open mindness destroyed by prejudice and isolationism

    You stella and jane doe-doe , are walking around in the dark, looking for a door to open, without light.

  44. Peter my hats off to you ,ever so well said .
    Pierre is completely Ethnocentric as well as biased ,you have bested him ever so easily Peter with your debate and his lack of it.

  45. @PIERRE

    You are entertaining to say the least.

    You words reveal that you are motivated by the fear of assimilation.

    One of the basic requirements in order that a species continues to survive is that it learns to adapt to its environment.

    You seem to embrace the notion that you can change the environment to survive.

    Time to evolve PIERRE.

    A protectionist attitude, fearing change as some how a loss, will ultimately lead only to a “nation” of individuals with their heads firmly planted in the sand.

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